What percentage is allowed by a CCer %18-%20 ??
This is a discussion on Deadly Force Alternatives...... within the Defensive Knives & Other Weapons forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Mike1956 I used the term MACE and pepper spray interchangeably. Many here are familiar with the situation I refer to, and there ...
As your example illustrates all too well, Murphy rears his head from time to time.
Last edited by Paladin3840; March 23rd, 2012 at 06:46 PM.
What percentage is allowed by a CCer %18-%20 ??
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"Violence is seldom the answer, but when it is the answer it is the only answer".
"A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves".
I am not a fan of using non lethal methods that may lead to a more deadly confrontation. Obviously you cannot prepare for every situation. You cannot get out of every situation. If I cannot get out of the situation, and the business end of a sixgun doesn't cause the threat to change their mind..... then one would assume that deadly force would be necessary to stop the threat. Otherwise, simply using the weapon as a threat stop... then calling 911 and giving a detailed and document record of what just went down would go a long way in establishing my intentions to simply defend myself.
I think we live in a very unpredictable society,I think if you have the time to evaluate how serious the threat is then its not a threat at all
pepper spray AND something else is always a good bet....I have spray, knives and a 26 inch ASP baton available at all times.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government--lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." --Patrick Henry
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Check out... "Phazzer.Com"
Different version of a 'Tazzer'.
Doesnt use powder, like a traditional Tazzer.
1/2 the price, and interchangeable loads (Pepper Ball/spray, rubber ball, wired "prongs"(like Tazzer)
NO CCW required (per ATF)
"There's something in me I can't describe. It's as if I saw a strange darkness before me, into which I must go."
There can always be situations where what you have isn't going to handle the situation. It's silly to think otherwise. And people should really think hard on that.
The more tools you can add to your toolbox of tricks, the better off you are going to be at handling any given situation.
If you choose to limit yourself to very few options, things can get ugly real quick.
If you carry only non-lethal tools to defend yourself, there is a very good possibility you're going to lose if faced with one or more attackers who are armed with deadly weapons.
If all you carry is a gun, and nothing else, you could also end up in a very bad situation. You may feel you are forced to use your gun when it isn't warranted, and end up spending the rest of your life in prison. You could be disarmed and killed with your own gun if you possess no hand-to-hand fighting skills. Or you could simply end up getting your butt kicked because you chose not to carry pepper spray along with your gun.
Many ccw people walk around with a gun. No less lethal tools, no hand to hand fighting skills, no spare ammo, no nothing except a gun. They shoot at the range, and they have never been to any gun fighting programs. They feel they have all they need, and that the possibility of being involved in a shooting is so remote that they will be just fine with the gun and no plan. Or a plan which has not been tested. They feel they already know how a lethal force situation is going to play out and they are just fine with what they carry. Also, most of these people have never been in a fight in their life. Or if so, it was just school yard fisticuffs way back in high school. Certainly never had anyone actually try to take their life.
There are no guarantees in life. You can be well equipped, have the skills, have the tactics, have the tools to cover every conceivable situation, lethal or or non-lethal and still have a homeless guy gut you like a pig who surprised you and got a lucky shot in.
I take self defense as seriously as possible for a 50 year old guy who is getting older by the year. I have plenty of tools in my bag of tricks, I'm trained in hand-to-hand and ground combat, I've been to gun fighting classes and I shoot as often as I can afford to, but not nearly as much as I'd like. And I am under no illusion that some thug or group of thugs can't or won't get the best of me. I've been involved in scuffles in the past which were deadly, although no one lost their life. I'm prepared to go there again if necessary.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
Good video on OODA loop and Reaction time.
The problem is, the more options we have, the more time we take to decide between them... and we all know time and distance are our friends. And JD just posted a paper on move and fire vs. stand and fire vs. take cover and fire... now, for my money... I'll spend time looking for cover while deferring... and be prepared to go all the way.
It could be worse!