September 30th, 2006 06:05 PM
New Knife Question
OK, so I just asked a knive question the other day, but it seems my situation has now changed...and I'm a bit confused.
Link to my old question.
So after speaking to some of the police in this fine state it seems that some of them, in certain areas, are interpreting our laws in a way that is very concerning to me. The law is one regarding "Gravity Knives". The following is a cut and paste of the NYS law that I'm refering to.
It seems that some areas are enforcing this to mean any folder that can be "flicked" into the locked position with the wrist ....now, as I said in my other post, I'm no knife expert, and maybe I've only had el-cheap-o folders in the past, but I've never met a folder that I couldn't flick out...and an everyday folder is simply NOT a gravity knife...but with the way the law is written, and the political climat in the area, combined with the fact that I don't plan on living here a long time, make me not want to risk it. I actually saw a news report that seems to back up the position of the police I spoke with (some of the locals will know what I'm talking about here)...I'll see if I can find it and post it for more info...
- Section 265.00 4. "Switchblade knife" means any knife
which has a blade which opens automatically by hand
pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in
the handle of the knife. 5. "Gravity knife" means any
knife has blade which is released from the handle or
sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application
of centrifugal force which, when released, is locked in
place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other
5-a. "Pilum ballistic knife" means any knife which
has a blade which can be projected from the handle by hand
pressure applied to a button, lever, spring or other
device in the handle of the knife. 5-b. "Metal knuckle knife"
means a weapon that, when closed, cannot function as a set of
metal knuckles, nor as a knife and when open, can function as
both a set of metal knuckles as well as a knife.
So my question: Are there any good EDC folders short of the Buck 110 that can't be flipped with the wrist? If not can you give me some good recommendations for fixed blades that are easily concealed, readily accessable, and in the 3.5" to < 4" range.
September 30th, 2006 06:57 PM
actually, i just got the spyderco chinook II, and it has a pretty solid lock, and it has stiff action. the only way to do a "brooklyn snap" with is with a baseball swing. most spydercos have pretty stiff action on them; go for one.
October 1st, 2006 12:48 AM
Yep Spydercos are great. I have 5 right now and my EDC is a limited edition Delicia and you cannot just flick it out. You have to use your thumb also, but the large hole makes it very easy. I used to have a Buck knife and Applegate Combat Folder that you could just flick you wrist and they would snap open all the way. The Applegate was especially intimidating because the blade is very long.
October 1st, 2006 06:39 AM
Any traditional pocketknife where the back of the frame holds the blade closed is unflickable. I have a Camillus that is so tight I have to make sure my fingernails are short before I open it or they'll break before the blade moves. Of course, none of these traditional picketknives are fighting knives, but I think that's the point of the law. They don't want people fighting with knives, daggers, switchblades, etc.
October 1st, 2006 08:37 AM
excellent thanks guys, that's exactly the kind of information I needed! :) Spyderco is one of the few brands that I have not looked at much...I'll have to go out and do some investigating today to see if I can find a place that sells them around here. I've heard nothing but good things about them too so that helps. That Waved Endura might just be calling my name after all...though I do like the looks of that Chinnok II as well!
Thanks again for the help!
October 1st, 2006 10:09 AM
Just something to help you shop...
If you don't decide to go with a spyderco (and I love those BTW), it has been my experience that knives with spine-locks (like the lock most spydies, and older folders like the Buck 110), and Frame-locks (not to be confused with liner-locks) place a little more tension on the blade thereby making it hard to do an inertial-opening.
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October 1st, 2006 01:31 PM
Hi all, first time post here. (sorry if I get this wrong!) Seems like that law leaves room for assisted openers. I have a Kershaw Ken Onion. It doesnt "opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife." nor can you release the blade using gravity.
It releases by pushing on a screw on the blade. Does this seem like a correct interpretation? By the way this is a fantastic site. I cant believe how much I learn for you all.
October 1st, 2006 02:02 PM
yep, assisted openers are legal here as long as you can't open them by flicking them open as I described in my post...I haven't been able to find one until today! Actually it was a Ken Onion design...the Cyclone...it wasn't coming out no matter what I did to fling it open...so now I'm off to look at a few others before I decide on one...the blade on the Cyclone seemed a bit broad for me, but the "Blackout" (I think that's it) wasn't "flickable" either so I think I've found at least two knives that I will be able to use...and to my surprise, both are assisted openers. I still think I'm going to go out and pick up a Spyderco too though since I've been chomping at the bit to try one!
Originally Posted by lvnlg
October 2nd, 2006 03:56 PM
Whats legal, and how LEO's understand the law are sometimes different. That sucks simply because you could be holding something legal, and still catch some crap because a particular LEO isn't sure of the law. It's a scenario you have to be prepared for when you carry a knife.
For that reason alone, I typically carry a simple straight blade in a holster. Around here it is extremely common to see since I live in a farming community. I find that if I dress fairly nice (I am young, and some people jump to conclusions if you are dressed any particular way) and make sure the knife is in plane sight I have absolutely no problems.
I have been considering a nice fold out knife lately, but I know that I'll be asked about it more often than not.
You would think it would be the other way around with the type of knife I carry, but it simply has been the case. Like I said, it's mainly because I live in a farming community.
October 2nd, 2006 04:57 PM
I have a Ken Onion/Kershaw Blackout and a Leek. Both are excellent for the money. I find myself carrying the Leek most often due to the ultra-slim design. I've lost count of the number of times it's gone through the wash clipped in my pocket because I forgot it was there!
Originally Posted by raysheen
October 3rd, 2006 10:59 AM
Another good choice would be a Columbia River Knife and Tool. I carry a Voodoo, but there is another model on the same mechanism. It uses what they call the Tailwind Technology, which is a very stiff assisted opening. When it's closed it's closed, but when you get it about an eighth of the way open, it's gone. Has a solid lock and seems to be good metal, also made in the USA.
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October 3rd, 2006 04:22 PM
CRKT also makes a some nice knives in the M-16 and variants. They have a knob on the blade that helps with quick one-handed openning, but it isn't assisted. The knob becomes a hilt when open. Good knives and not very expensive. Also check out the many Ken Onion designs. I carry a Kershaw Tactical Blur.
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