Kabar TDI or Spyderco Delica w/ Wave

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    Kabar TDI or Spyderco Delica w/ Wave

    someone recently asked me what i would do if someone tried to take my firearm or if something happened to my dominant hand and i couldnt grab my firearm and started to make me think about my self defense and firearm retention strategy. for the time being i have done some "modifications" on one of my old EDC knives. its a Gerber EZ out. i bored out a hole and made a clip so it is now tip up, and also put on a ziptie to make a cheap but effective "wave" feature. dont knock it, because it actually works . now this was only a temporary fix until i found the right knife and have narrowed down my choices to the Kabar TDI and the Spyderco Delica 4 with emerson wave. they are both one hand deployable and both blades under 3" which is a need so i can carry in most places.

    if you had to decide between the TDI and the Delica 4 w/ wave for firearm retention and offside self defense which would you choose and why? if anyone has both which do you prefer? and if you would choose something different what would you choose and why?

    here are the links for both of my choices so you dont have to search

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    How much experience and training do you have with knife fighting techniques?

    That plays a role in the answer.

    Also, generally speaking, a folding knife can be carried more places than a fixed blade.
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    Well, unless you are trained in knife fighting, i would avoid a knife fight at all costs. Thjat said, the TDI is a nice knife but I found it to be uncomfortable at times, so I went back to an everyday folder
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    youtube trained for knife fighting....just joking. little actual knife fighting training. but have had hand to hand training. this would primarily be an if someone got a hold of my gun i could pull this knife as a last resort retention technique. i am planning on getting proper knife training in the future too.
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    IIRC the TDI was designed with people with no/low amounts of knife training taken into consideration. Basically, if needed, you can just grab the handle and start punching with it. Not the most elegant technique, but it can work.
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    The TDI is supposed to utilize the the best parts of the Straight Blade knife and the Karambit, it does neither. If you are legal to carry a fixed blade knife take a look at the Gryphon M10 or the Emerson Fixed Blade Karambit. My EDC is the Spyderco P'Kal. Also, look into the James Keating Drawpoint Series DVD's for good instruction on knife use.

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    I tend to like the smaller fixed blades for defensive carry work. Not only is an obviously stronger blade, but to me they are much quicker to deploy if you had to. You also don't have to worry about the locking mechanism failing you and earning the nickname of "stumpy".
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    For purely self defense, the Ka-bar is prob better, but for me... If I got to carry it everyday and I do carry my Wave every day. I want a tool, I use my pocket knife as a tool nearly every day (simple stuff, opening boxes, cut string, clean finger nails) so I need the most functional tool I can get and still feel good about it as a last chance SD knife.

    The way I see it is.. the odds I'll ever need my gun, then add the odds I'll need my gun and my knife at the same time made the Spyderco an easy choice for me. I also don't want people, good or bad, to see my knife hanging on my belt.




    (Plus this over weight gun nut I've met wears two of them just inside each hip bone and loves to whip them out... gave me a bad taste for them)

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    I have 3 different tdi knives. I love them all. The small ones are much easier to carry and conceal, at least on me with the way I dress. That spider co looks nice though. Carry both! You can never have to many knives!

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    What no choice for "BOTH" ?

    I actually carry both a spyderco Delica and a TDI LE on a daily basis. The Delica is carried clipped in my left rear pocket (along with my Cav Arms tourniquet). I use it as a utility knife to open boxes,cut rope, etc without spooking the herd.

    The TDI is worn at about 11 o'clock on my belt concealed. It is what I would use to get out of touching distance problems that I could not extricate myself from with empty hands alone. That could be a weapon retention problem, but more likely a grappling or grounded problem possibly involving multiples. Fixed blades are much easier to use with people hanging all over you than folders. The fixed blade you just pull and insert ...the folder has to be fixed before it can be used as a knife. If you get out and train that against non cooperative opponents you see that opening a folder in a clinch (especially against multiple opponents) is easier said than done. The delica CAN be used as a weapon if I have to, but it is not what I'd go to first.

    Of course your local laws will largely determine what your knife carry options are.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taurahe View Post
    Well, unless you are trained in knife fighting, i would avoid a knife fight at all costs. That said, the TDI is a nice knife but I found it to be uncomfortable at times, so I went back to an everyday folder
    I agree with Taurahe. If you're down to needing a knife things are probably very bad.

    There are various knife fighting training videos (Personal Defense Network has a handful) and a few courses. A little practice with rubber knives shows you how really difficult it can be. And, if you look at some of the other videos available (Target Focus Training has a good one, but I've seen several like it) that show knife fights as more likely being someone charging and stabbing - no real form or finesse, just a lot of commitment and ferocity.

    After trying to find ways to be comfortable with my TDI I finally gave-up and went back to my Benchmade Presidio. It's a little thick and heavy, and the grips tend to wear on your pants, but it is built like a tank, fast, has a great blade (mine is 154CM), and even with its size is far more comfortable than the TDI. The big thing with any tool is to practice (deployment more than fighting, although both are good) and develop muscle memory.

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    Most "knife fights" in America are simply fights that involve one or more of the participants pulling a knife at some point. They are not "knife duels" in the classical sense...at least not in the US. The "good guy" will most often NOT be armed when the fight kicks off, so in fight weapon access is a critical skill to build. So as to knife training make sure what you are training for replicates the realistic problem you'd actually be facing...not something from the 18th century or from a kung fu movie.....
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    i jhear you guys with the both, but only got money for one right now. i will probably end up getting both eventually just trying to figure out which on first. ive been taking a liking to my ghetto waving knife setup so i may go with the spydie first. guess this will also deend on availability when i actually go to get a new knife. im one of the people that like to do research and be 100% behind my purchase. hearing everyones responses is deffinately helping me, thanks and keep em coming. i carry 2 knives on me at all times now. the one in my back right pocket is more my tool and everyday common use one. this knife i am looking at getting will be on my weak side, either front left pocket or appendix (about 11) depending on which one i go for. i understand that when i will need to use a knife for defense the situation will be pretty bad and close quarters, possibly ground. thats why i have a knife on both sides.
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