PUSH DAGGER as a defensive blade?

This is a discussion on PUSH DAGGER as a defensive blade? within the Defensive Knives & Other Weapons forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Hoganbeg A BRIGHT tactical flashlight that can double as an impact weapon in the manner of a Kubotan; Highly recommended. yes i ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoganbeg View Post
    A BRIGHT tactical flashlight that can double as an impact weapon in the manner of a Kubotan; Highly recommended.
    yes i already carry a light. surefire fury 500 lums. no sharp bezels though.
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    A Stun Gun can say Get Off Of Me! decently effectively if you have it ready to be quickly deployed.

    Shop around on J&L Self Defense Products and see if you can find one that may fit your needs.

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    There are some really small units that pack a very good electrical punch these days.

    Just one thing to consider.
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    A push-dagger is not an optimal weapon. It's more of a one-trick-pony that has a lot of drawbacks. Mainly, though, you can't get a decent grip on it and you risk cutting yourself.

    Instead, consider one of these:



    The Guardfather deploys like an OTF switchblade, goes "bang" for deterrent value, and allows for front and reverse hand grip. You can use it like a kubotan if you don't spring the spike, and you wear it like a pen. Plus, it costs less than a push knife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    A push-dagger is not an optimal weapon. It's more of a one-trick-pony that has a lot of drawbacks. Mainly, though, you can't get a decent grip on it and you risk cutting yourself.

    Instead, consider one of these:




    The Guardfather deploys like an OTF switchblade, goes "bang" for deterrent value, and allows for front and reverse hand grip. You can use it like a kubotan if you don't spring the spike, and you wear it like a pen. Plus, it costs less than a push knife.
    First I have seen of this device. Kind of like a pointer or glass breaker. Has or does anyone know the legal implications of carrying and/or using this device? On a plane? In your state?
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    You're getting a lot of really good advice here, especially about the legal ramifications of carrying a blade defensively. Because concerns exists due to your jurisdictional location I would invest the time in researching Ohio's stand on the matter.

    If you do decide to carry a knife over, let's say, OC or a stun device as QKShooter and Taurahe point out, you need to keep in mind two key points. The first is obviously a knife is viewed in the same light as a firearm when employed, both are weapons capable of producing grave bodily injury or death. So the same circumstances in which you would use it are the same as when you would use a firearm. (Just simply stating the obvious from an ex-cops perspective.)

    The second is this, if you draw a knife in a defensive situation that calls for it you need to be willing and capable of using it. By necessity you are going to be in contact distance with an assailant, and your skills in close quarters work need to be solid. That is the capable aspect of what I meant. The willing aspect is this... When I was an active cop I had situations in which a knife was drawn on me, and I like many have been cut before. When a knife gets interjected into an "aggressive conversation" there is going to be bloodletting, and things get nasty quick, so that is something you need to have the mindset for before hand. If carrying a blade defensively is an option you think works well, I would suggest getting instruction from a combative system that emphasizes blade work. It will definitely be worth the time and expense. Best wishes to you and stay safe.
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    HideAwayKnife Those are nicer than the typical push dagger as a secondary knife

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    Have you looked into the TDI knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wdbailey View Post
    HideAwayKnife Those are nicer than the typical push dagger as a secondary knife
    those look awesome, i have been wanting one for years now but as i have mentioned in post 14. they will most likely be viewed as weapons and Ohio law prohibits the carrying of weapons other then a handgun.

    same goes for the guardfather thing mentioned in post 18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dravintoad View Post
    Have you looked into the TDI knives?
    yes i have. the forward slanting blade does seem like a good idea, good for slashing. but is also has the look of a weapon. same problem as the push dagger.
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    I like the idea of a push blade but they are illegal in my home state. Also can't carry concealed anything other than a firearm under the permit. Too much government.

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    Seems to me any decent fixed bladed knife would do the trick, depending on how you plan on carrying it. I would suggest a 4 inch blade as a minimum. Cold Steel has a wide variety of knives that would fit the bill and are also quite useful at day to day stuff; like opening mail.
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    The "spike" automatic I have is a crappy glass breaker. Not a great tool IMO. If legal and if you decide to carry one, try the Cold Steel push knives or the ones from Mantis. The Mantis are kind of small but hide well and are absolutely devastating. The Cold Steel ones are great blades. I bought my first one in 1988 I think and I still own and carry it. I had a Kydex sheath made and it or one of the others rides in my work boots as a "rescue knife" (as in: rescue my life from a desperate situation) Along the same lines as a true push knife is the TDI series from KaBar. My wife got into those when she was recovering from an elbow injury. They have the same advantages of being easy to hide and carry even if you give up a slight bit of retention.
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    I would suggest a short blade folder. These are tools, and are legal just about everywhere. Mine is a Spyderco Native, which I use daily for such mundane tasks as cutting boxes open.

    Then get some training. Your best bet for defensive use of a knife is NOT stabbing with the intent of causing bleed-out...that can take waaay too long. Your best bet is cutting ligaments and tendons for a mobility kill - if the attacker cannot use his hands/arms to attack and/or legs to chase you, you can then escape.

    Even better, cutting the hands/arms/legs is likely to be seen as a less-lethal defensive strike on your part, much more so than repeated stabs to the chest. It is much easier to argue that you were defending yourself with such strikes.

    Training...get some, even if only watching some good DVDs.
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    Here in the great state of NH every knife is legal to buy, sell, own, and carry. While I don't carry that particular knife I do carry a dagger style knife, the cold steel tri lite. Daggers vs regular blades is like hand guns vs shotguns or any other firearm class. They have different ways to be used but in the end will get the job done.

    I do have knife fighting experience through classes both in and out of the marines. Like anything it is ideally something you will practice with regularly. There are important aspects to really understand when fighting with knives. My two highest placed are that you will get cut in a knife fight and know your anatomy. Now as far as daggers go they are primarily designed to be used to reach deep and puncture organs with stabs. They can be used for slashing but are not ideal because they lack a strong thick blade that ideal slashing weapons have. Again that doesn't mean they aren't effective at slashing there are just better knives for that purpose. With that said you can stab with any knife however not just any knife is built to easily slide through a rib cage.

    One more thing about dagger style blades. If your state laws don't allow you to carry a blade that is a length that can accurately penetrate into a persons organs than there is no point in carrying that dagger style blade. This includes overweight people. So a dagger less than 5" is probably useless in terms of what it was designed for.

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    I should also add that because of societies views on knives they are not my go to defensive tool unless under the following. I am somewhere that I can't legally carry a gun, or for whatever reason be it my gun hand is being held, someone is in the process of trying to get my gun, and if i were in some ground struggle and couldn't reach then I would deploy my knives.

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