Armed Without Pistol

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    Armed Without Pistol

    This is a continuation of my efforts to insure my Wife is as prepared and safe as possible until able to CC. Finally got it together I think. This will be her EDC for now.
    As I see it this is the best we can do for now. I am starting to think the FL is seriously underrated for SD. Thanks to Brian @theledwarehouse for his help in sorting through all the options! I will post 1st impressions of the QT2L-X when I receive them, got 1 for myself also. I see the Pepper Spray as 2nd level, and of course I still see the folder as a nightmare scenario. Any comments or suggestions are still welcome.

    1 Very Powerful Flashlight.

    2 Pepper Spray

    3 Folding Knife

    Thanks, Mike
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    Good start. Mindset and some HTH skills would be a plus.

    A move to a free state would be your best bet.
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    Given the situation you have in NY looks like you're on the right path. good luck

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    Looks good to me.

    Now, does she know how to USE any of it?

    Seek appropriate training. That will be of more benefit than any piece of equipment you can buy.
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    While a knife and gun are nice to have try thinking outside the box, unless you are in a padded room in a psyche ward you are never unarmed. A quick look around you can find any number of weapons to use as thrusting or bludgeon weapons. Some examples, a pen or pencil can be effective as a thrusting weapon to distract an attacker long enough to allow you to escape. Any heavy object may be used as a striking weapon or thrown in an attempt to injure and stop an attacker. Even a plastic knife at a fast food restaurant while it will not cut very deep it will leave a nasty painful laceration. Just be inventive and use anything available to stop an attack.
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    Being not very familiar with your local laws, I kind of leaned more toward the cautious side when making my suggestions. As far as chemical devices go, I would whole heartedly recommend Aerko's Freeze +P line of sprays. They are a mixture of CS and OC, and they are painful to be exposed to. I carried and used them as a police officer, and have sprayed close to 40 people or so in actual confrontations. Although no product is 100% effective all the time, these sprays worked about 98% of the time for me (exceptions being mentally disturbed suspect and one fella who obviously had enough chemicals in him that the ones on him didn't matter!).

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    As far as blades go, I would likely lean more toward a small fixed blade for her use. The reason being that she will not have to draw and deploy the blade before using it. All she would have to do with a small fixed blade is the old "draw and gut" approach. Blade length restrictions are often very oppressive, so I selected some that are small in stature but big on cutting power for their size. The ones posted below are examples of what I pictured in my mind when pondering your question. If you find a similar style with another manufacturer that you like better, then by all means go with what you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8upguy View Post
    Given the situation you have in NY looks like you're on the right path. good luck

    ...what does "FS" mean?
    Sorry that was supposed to be FL for flashlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadRunner71 View Post
    Looks good to me.

    Now, does she know how to USE any of it?

    Seek appropriate training. That will be of more benefit than any piece of equipment you can buy.
    Excellent Point, I am working on it now, Thanks

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    [QUOTE=GhostMaker;2878225]Being not very familiar with your local laws, I kind of leaned more toward the cautious side when making my suggestions. As far as chemical devices go, I would whole heartedly recommend Aerko's Freeze +P line of sprays. They are a mixture of CS and OC, and they are painful to be exposed to. I carried and used them as a police officer, and have sprayed close to 40 people or so in actual confrontations. Although no product is 100% effective all the time, these sprays worked about 98% of the time for me (exceptions being mentally disturbed suspect and one fella who obviously had enough chemicals in him that the ones on him didn't matter!).

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    As far as blades go, I would likely lean more toward a small fixed blade for her use. The reason being that she will not have to draw and deploy the blade before using it. All she would have to do with a small fixed blade is the old "draw and gut" approach. Blade length restrictions are often very oppressive, so I selected some that are small in stature but big on cutting power for their size. The ones posted below are examples of what I pictured in my mind when pondering your question. If you find a similar style with another manufacturer that you like better, then by all means go with what you like.


    Thanks GhostMaker, that type of blade is a great idea! Simpler and faster, I will do some shopping later.
    Your time & effort is appreciated
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    Quote Originally Posted by joker1 View Post
    Good start. Mindset and some HTH skills would be a plus.

    A move to a free state would be your best bet.
    I have been thinking that more and more. I envy those of you who still live in America!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post

    As far as blades go, I would likely lean more toward a small fixed blade for her use. The reason being that she will not have to draw and deploy the blade before using it. All she would have to do with a small fixed blade is the old "draw and gut" approach. Blade length restrictions are often very oppressive, so I selected some that are small in stature but big on cutting power for their size. The ones posted below are examples of what I pictured in my mind when pondering your question. If you find a similar style with another manufacturer that you like better, then by all means go with what you like.

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    I have a question for you GhostMaker. Are these 4 'Draw and Gut' knives Full Tang knives? I'd be hoping all of them were full tang. All 3 appear to be key ring attached or Neck Knives.

    I wouldn't ever wanna have to use a knife like this in SD. Those with the broad base look as tho they'd inflict maximum damage on an attacker. Thanks for posting this.
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    Unless she is training with all those tools, including access decisions under pressure, I dont see the realistic point.

    Is she willing emotionally to cut, stab, slash and shank with a knife? Will she do it in an emergency? How do you know? If not, skip the knife. If she is able and willing, then I would just stick with the knife. And a fixed blade only. (check for NY legality). Attempting to access knife under pressure and "fix" a folder leaves her open to the risk she never gets it open and used defensively. In her purse is bad. Handle down appendix carry outside the waistband is fast access.

    You live in communist liberal NY. No offense meant. Texas law allows us to (Chptr 9.04) display a lethal tool as a use of simple force to repel force versus the display ONLY considered an act of lethal force. In other words, if someone threatens me verbally and closes distance, I can drawdown or unsheath. Simple force to repel and deter perp.

    If you have a law like this and she is emotionally willing to use a knife, then I would just stick (no pun intended) with the knife only and train around that within NY law. She can use it non-lethally or lethally. I would look for a local AMOK! self defense force on force knife group (google AMOK!) in your area to train your wife. I train AMOK and South African gun FoF (similar to Suarez). This is far different than range work which has its place.

    I worry that in your good hearted concern to keep her safe with all kinds of tools, you will give her a case of choice paralysis. Make sure she is willing to use a knife. If not, then stick with Fox labs pepper. Fox labs has inert training sprays. But train with whatever tool she uses. Hands on Force on force. The training stuff that very few want to do.
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    I understand your concern. Lots of knuckleheads out there these days. My wife an I have gotten to the age where we really do plan our trips with safety in mind. I no longer let her fill up the car alone, or go to the bank by herself. She has been carrying 20 years right along side me . I couldn't ask for a better partner your on the right track good luck to you both.
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    Mrs tdave finally came to the realization gradually over years one step at a time. We have started protective measures commiserate with her age physical abilities as we increase her level of training. I'm going with her on the training makes it more comfortable for her and I'm glad to pick up nuggets as we go along.

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