Short Blade Length Myths!

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    Short Blade Length Myths!

    Just a quick blast of info (factual) concerning blade length and self defense utility.

    1. If you use a knife (any knife) in self defense, you will go through the same legal process afterward as
    if you had used a gun.

    2. Most persons either do not have or will not get the training ( and continued practice ) to use a knife
    effectively in a self defense situation.

    3. Here's an interesting one. Many knife (Pundits) will expound on the "fact" that a knife blade length
    under (x) inches is virtually ineffective in a fight. Interestingly enough, a blade of less than 2 inches
    can prove fatal if used in an effective manner. This is due to the fact that if a person's body is pulled
    forward and down, such as would be the case if his attacker uses one hand to grasp him around the
    neck, and the other to stab with a short blade (very short!), the victim's internal organs will float
    forward and down making them accessible and vulnerable. This is a fact not lost on prison inmates.
    I offer this information as a retired LEO (35 years) who has seen the evidence of this. Now this
    becomes less of a factor if the victim is morbidly obese. In that case the intervening layers of fat,
    will undoubtedly afford him some degree of protection against a short blade.

    Hope this has been helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unkei View Post
    Just a quick blast of info (factual) concerning blade length and self defense utility.

    1. If you use a knife (any knife) in self defense, you will go through the same legal process afterward as
    if you had used a gun.


    2. Most persons either do not have or will not get the training ( and continued practice ) to use a knife
    effectively in a self defense situation.

    3. Here's an interesting one. Many knife (Pundits) will expound on the "fact" that a knife blade length
    under (x) inches is virtually ineffective in a fight. Interestingly enough, a blade of less than 2 inches
    can prove fatal if used in an effective manner. This is due to the fact that if a person's body is pulled
    forward and down, such as would be the case if his attacker uses one hand to grasp him around the
    neck, and the other to stab with a short blade (very short!), the victim's internal organs will float
    forward and down making them accessible and vulnerable. This is a fact not lost on prison inmates.
    I offer this information as a retired LEO (35 years) who has seen the evidence of this. Now this
    becomes less of a factor if the victim is morbidly obese. In that case the intervening layers of fat,
    will undoubtedly afford him some degree of protection against a short blade.

    Hope this has been helpful.
    Unkei
    I have a sense that lots of people do not realize the truth and reality of item #1. Folks mistakenly think that
    using a knife is somehow less of a crime (if unjustified) than using a gun. Or that the requirement to make certain
    the use of lethal force is lawful is looser for a defender who uses a knife.

    I suspect (one never knows) that DAs, Judges, juries, all tend to view the knife as the weapon of a thug whereas
    a gun in the hand of a license holder will not be viewed in that manner.

    It may make little difference if your use was legally unjustified, however I suspect that at some emotional level the defender who used a knife will be judged more harshly than a law abiding license holder.

    Here, switch blades were just made legal. Can you imagine the emotional reaction of others to a self-defense killing
    in which a switch blade is used? It won't be good. It may not be good if a handgun is used, but the very fact that
    the defender was licensed takes the sting away from the emotional knee jerk reaction that the user must be a thug. In fact the license proves otherwise.
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    so, tactically speaking, is it better to be skinny (smaller target for guns) or fat (more resistance to blades)?

    also, i have asked this before. but what do LEOs in Ohio think about push daggers? is it viewed as a thug weapon? and since Ohio law prohibits the carrying of a deadly weapon other then a handgun. are small push daggers viewed as a weapon because of its construction? even if say it was under 2"
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    Quote Originally Posted by technomonster View Post
    so, tactically speaking, is it better to be skinny (smaller target for guns) or fat (more resistance to blades)?

    also, i have asked this before. but what do LEOs in Ohio think about push daggers? is it viewed as a thug weapon? and since Ohio law prohibits the carrying of a deadly weapon other then a handgun. are small push daggers viewed as a weapon because of its construction? even if say it was under 2"
    Hi technomonster,
    Love the first part of your post! Rather than skinny or fat, might just be better to be long gone! LOL
    As to the second part, I always viewed it in light of the situation. If the knife had not been used to commit a crime, or had not been used in a threatening manner, I tended to advise the subject of the law and possible consequences, and then sent them on their merry way. If the subject was a juvenile, I impounded the knife, and called their parents, who had to come pick them up. It was up to the parents as to whether they wished to pursue retrieving the knife. I always advised the parents of the possible consequences for their child, and let them take it from there.
    IMHO, we have enough restrictive laws. We simply need to enforce them if the intent is to do wrong. If we're going to ban knives and guns because "They" kill people, then perhaps we should also ban cars, fast food, tobacco, infrequent visits to our family doctor......etc. We just all need to take responsibility for our actions, and realize that there are always consequences to any choice we make. Sorry...didn't mean to preach!
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    "to stab with a short blade (very short!), the victim's internal organs will float
    forward and down making them accessible and vulnerable. This is a fact not lost on prison inmates."


    And as a stabbing victim in prison expect to be stabbed approximately 25 times in about 3 seconds.
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    Personal I like 3inch or more for blade length. Because a. I am not some blade master and b. I may be dealing with people mess up in the head or wearing thick cloths and or fat. I rather have as much chance as possible to stop the bad guy ..

    Also on auto knives I like them for the fact that you can use it great one handed ( in fact federal laws states that if you only have one arm you may legal buy and have shipped across state line said auto knife under 3.5 inchs), same with some spyder knives . Also I have found the issue with short knives is the fact that they are made to be box opener knives and are often small and hard to get open most I have found take two hands .

    But for me the best defensive knife is a push knife , wide big blade and takes a lot less skill to use then a normal blade just punch and there you go , plus very hard to disarmed someone with one without getting cut..

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    When you consider how close some arteries are to the skin surface even an Exacto knife can be lethal.
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    It is not the size, it is how you use it. 'Hand to Gland'............................................ .............when it gets to that, is brutal, not pretty.

    Always carry a belt kept folding box cutting tool. Nobody questions it (except for the TSA) however it is all you need close in.
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    It's also about knowing where the targets are in the human body and how to get at them.
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    Though I keep a knife handy, it's mostly for utility - I'm under no illusions that I'd be very effective with it for defense. Still, it's much better than no weapon at all, as a last-ditch option.
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    I've done enough knife training to know that I don't have any business being in a knife fight. Folding knives aren't the easiest things in the world to get into the fight and to use effectively. At this point I assume my knife is for utility use and would only use it defensively if left with no other choice and no possible means to use a gun, my hands, or to run away.
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    I own a great deal of knifes (but that does not make me an expert) if you are defending yourself with a knife that is up close and personal basic hand to hand combat . I could not think about a more difficult way to stop a threat . Plus with all the blood you are bound to have multiple injuries (hand) as well from your own knife .
    How do you overcome these issues or minimize ??
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    He who suffers the least fatal wound in close combat, live to run away, and fight another day.

    If you go close, there will most likely be damage to you. Try to minimize that by getting some training, but all professionals will tell you that you will win if you are willing to accept the fact that you might get damaged while winning.

    I'd personally prefer that you 'all have very safe lives and this is just a 'what if' discussion. Lead quiet lives.................................
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    #1 also applies to sticks, canes, etc. Lots of folks seem to think those aren't weapons/deadly-weapons but they most assuredly are.
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    Almost anything can be a weapon, even a rolled up newspaper.
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