Lies About Knife Fighting

This is a discussion on Lies About Knife Fighting within the Defensive Knives & Other Weapons forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; So, ever since I started the Knife vs. Fat BG thread, I have been doing more research about knife defense. I have taken several different ...

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    Lies About Knife Fighting

    So, ever since I started the Knife vs. Fat BG thread, I have been doing more research about knife defense. I have taken several different martial arts, including Kali (which includes some knife work), but am convinced that a lot of what I learned in the gym (dojo), only works on others who are learning the same things.

    Anyway, YMMV, but I would suggest trying some of your disarm/counter techniques in a FOF setting with someone who is not taking martial arts; the results may surprise you.

    Back on topic... I found a really good article about knife fighting, knife defense, and using a knife in self-defense. It addresses a lot of misconceptions about knife encounters, and is written by someone who has "seen the elephant."

    Lies about knife fighting

    It is a long article, but well worth a read, IMO. However, I suggest you leave your ego at the door when you read it...
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    ah, you found Marc Macyoung's stuff.

    I remember reading his stuff about 10 years ago. "the prison rush".... lol.

    what most people consider "knife fighting" has nothing to do with self defense, or killing with a knife.

    what most people picture when they hear "knife fighting" would be considered "dueling" - or even fencing.

    two people- squared off, taking swipes at each other.

    First off- this activity will land you in jail, no matter who "started" it.
    Second- this will land you in the hospital.

    you are either defending yourself against an edged weapon, and if you happen to have a rock, a knife, a hammer, a gun, a tank, or a sword when you are defending yourself against that weapon, chances are it WON'T look like a "duel". if you're attacked by someone with a knife and happen to have only a knife yourself, then yes, it may be a fencing match...to start....

    or.... you are trying to kill someone with a knife. for whatever reason. "sentry neutralization" comes to mind. I learned techniques for this is Krav Maga. they key to this is surprise. your enemy has a slit throat or a knife in their lungs or heart before they know you are there. again, no dueling here.

    yes, Kali is a derivative of the Moro Borongs. which you must understand, ritualized knife fighting. ritualized knife fighting is just that. and has no application in American streets unless you wish to land in the hospital, and then prison, in that order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DingBat View Post
    ah, you found Marc Macyoung's stuff.
    Yeah, some of his stuff is mind-blowing! His article on modern day Romans and Barbarians is life-changing, at least for me.
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    Interesting read.
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    Oh, you mean it's easier to block a punch, when you know it's your opponent's turn to throw a half hearted fake punch? I'm glad you're starting to see martial arts for what it is. A bunch of cardio.

    I remember signing my 8 year old boy up for karate. One day, his smallish black belt instructor didn't show up for class. Next time we saw him, he made an excuse that he fell down the stairs, and that's why he missed class, and where he got all the bruises on his face. Of course later after he no longer worked there, the truth came out. Some thug absolutely kicked his butt
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    Badey, thanks for the link. It is good stuff.
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    I don't know much about knife fighting, but I saw a machete fight once, guy got his arm fileted from bicep almost to wrist. Not sure if he died but surely lost the arm. It was outside a bar in Honduras, we didn't stick around for the outcome. It was enough to convince me to always bring a gun to a knife fight!

    I also think if you are going to do much knife fighting a metal arm guard would be required equipment. Then you could (potentially) block slashes and thrusts while opening your opponent to attack. Wouldda helped the guy in Honduras maybe. Anybody have any actual experience with that?
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    Great food for thought. Thanks Badey.
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    Why don't you just use a gun, bullets can move faster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister View Post
    Why don't you just use a gun, bullets can move faster?
    A student of the gun shouldn't discount the knife, but to each their own.

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    I have a cousin and an uncle who was involved in a bar fight in Ingram Tx years ago where several folks was cut with a knife. My uncle was cut from the middle of his back to his armpit and it was a deep cut. The guy who was supposed to have cut my uncle was later stabbed by my cousin. My cousin stabbed the guy in the abdomen with the blade of the knife pointing up. It was a 3 or 4 inch Buck folding knife. Anyway, when he stabbed him in the gut with the blade up he forced the blade up the guys chest cutting through 3 ribs. Miraculously, the dude, lived but he was in ICU for several weeks.

    I had another uncle who was there also, and he swore up and down for the rest of his life that it was my cousin who cut my uncle. This always caused near fight conditions at the family reunion because my cousin swore up and down that it was the other guy who cut my uncle. My uncle said he didn't have a clue who cut him...

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    Good read, thanks for posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skipper1969 View Post
    A student of the gun shouldn't discount the knife, but to each their own.
    I think Sister was being funny.....and I agree by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skipper1969 View Post
    A student of the gun shouldn't discount the knife, but to each their own.

    Huh, what's a student of a gun is that third party talk? My guns are older than you are you whipper snapper!

    (I don't know what he's talking about but it didn't sound too friendly???)
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