Bear or dog spray vs humans?
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Naturally you wouldn't carry it INTENDING ...
September 13th, 2005 01:04 AM
Bear or dog spray vs humans?
Just out of curiosity, and because carrying bear or dog spray might be easier to justify in certain juristictions.
Naturally you wouldn't carry it INTENDING to use it on human attackers, but if you were attacked by humans and happened to use bear or dog spray on them, would it be effective?
"I am a Soldier. I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr.
September 13th, 2005 03:11 AM
I'm sure it'd work just fine. Here's a chart (scroll down the page) that compares some of the different Bear-sprays on the market. When I got to looking a little, it doesn't really seem that these are really much stronger/hotter than the "people" types (Fox Labs, Defense-Tech. etc.).
Of course, in the tactical sense, I wouldn't trust the bear spray any more than I "trust" the normal stuff. It's a step on the ladder, not the "be all to end all."
"Being a predator isn't always comfortable but the only other option is to be prey. That is not an acceptable option." ~Phil Messina If you carry in Condition 3, you have two empty chambers. One in the weapon...the other between your ears.Matt K.
September 13th, 2005 08:26 AM
I honestly believe that OC Spray has a valid spot in the arsenal of defensive tools for the responsible citizen. There sure may be times when OC can take care of a problem where you would not want to shoot. Depending on the situation I would always consider OC Spray as a first option. If you're right handed learn how to spray it & hit w/ it...with your left hand. Perfect example was when I worked in East Liberty & "The North Side" sometimes at night. East Liberty & N.S. were the Land Of The Downtrodden Intoxicated Pain In The A$$ Derelict Zombie People. What they wanted was money to buy more booze.
They were usually already decently "crocked" & would sometimes go so far as to follow you across the street & try to "Put Hands" on you. Honestly they did not deserve to be wearing a toe tag & what they really NEEDED more than money was Detoxification & Rehabilitation and a Long Hot Bath.
Basically they were drunk predatory moochers but, not potential killers.
Then we had the other folks that would run up & spray your windshield with Windex & start cleaning your vehicle windshield & then they would demand money for their unsolicited services.
It was an intimidation thing. I would not want to hafta explain why I "Blew Somebody Away" because I didn't want them wiping my windshield. Sometimes...if you just tried to drive away they would sit on the hood of your car.
They could have benefited from a "Shot Of OC Tonic" but, likely not a shot of Hot Lead.
I've worked around some of these "interesting people" long enough to know that while they are an extreme nuisance & need to be made to "Go Away" ~ they do not need to end up in the trauma center for mortal gunshot wounds.
They are a LOW potential DEADLY Threat but, still a minor threat & OC would serve a very useful purpose to quickly fend them off. Just my o~penguin.
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September 13th, 2005 12:01 PM
Well, I dunno, but I once used a CS Tear Gas GRENADE on an angry Grizzly Bear and it worked great on HIM. Blank M60 fire had almost zero effect, however. Noise was not effective. But the gas got his attention!
Originally Posted by tanksoldier
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September 13th, 2005 12:14 PM
Bears have a sensitive snout and are easily deterred by sprays. Probably more so than a .44 Mag.
September 13th, 2005 01:37 PM
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This conjures up one heck of an image Ex - LOL!
I once used a CS Tear Gas GRENADE on an angry Grizzly
I am sure at time tho it was not funny, even for Mr Bruin!!
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September 13th, 2005 04:56 PM
Don't be so sure.
Don't know about the homeless where you are, but a few weeks ago some fool repremanded one who was tearing apart a garbage can looking for something. The homeless guy turned around, stabbed him to death and took off. I haven't heard anything about his capture.
Originally Posted by QKShooter
They live a very hard life and have to fight for everything they have, so I would put them in the junkyard dog category. Do they deserve to be killed? No, unless they are trying to kill you.
Seems to me that spray would be a good starting point, but be ready for them to become very violent.
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