Home defence (no guns allowed!)

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    Home defence (no guns allowed!)

    Being in Australia, I have very limited options as to what I can carry out on the street. At home however, its a different matter.

    Short of firearms (due to the EXTREMELY restrictive laws governing type, method of storage of firearm and ammo etc), there are very few weapons I can't keep at home, with expandable batons, anti personnel sprays (or any aerosol spray used to defend oneself), any kind of concealable or 'automatic' (balisong, OTF etc) knife, crossbows and most martial arts weapons being the exceptions. I don't want to go with a maglite due to the excessive force issue it can raise (lead filled pipe etc)

    I am wanting to upgrade from the metal baseball bat which I keep beside my bed simply because I worry about killing the offender.

    Knives are out as I feel that they require you to get very "up close" with a home invader or burglar who is most likely carrying a knife or syringe (lets face it, if they have a gun, there are far easier ways to get money, like mugging people).

    My shortlist at the moment includes the "Denver" four ply Boston Leather sap, a mid size combat axe or a machete. In a home situation, I'm aiming to end the fight quickly, through either intimidation or use of proportionate force while being able to respond to emerging threats.

    Any other suggestions?
    PAX IN BELLO

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    ****** - I just feel so enraged almost - that you have to think so hard to come up with options.

    To be honest and from a purely logical POV - if you are under serious threat, the last thing you should have to worry about is whether you kill the darned perp!! The bat sounds one very good option as does Maglight, even tho you are leary of using either to the max.

    Trouble is, in extremis - how does anyone measure their force level - I mean - one blow to the guy's head? Not enough. Try two more - ah better - but now he is on floor with cranial fracture!!!

    It really seems so crazy that almost all bias is toward a bad guy's well being - and to hell with victims. If you are under attack it should be ''game on'' - and fight as unfairly as you know how to survive. Sad thing is all you suggest and mention suggests whatever you might do - you will be in deep do-do.
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    Wow, seems like your options are fairly limited. Of the possibilities you listed, I'd stick with the bat myself. The "combat axe" or machete are just as likely to kill the intruder, at the risk of looking worse should you have to go to court.

    What about a good (BRIGHT) light, the bat, and a big stinking dog?
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    I would suggest anything that is good and heavy, but would not ordinarlily be considered a weapon. The more ludicris sounding the better for you should you ever have to face a judge.

    A walking stick with a big brass knob on it. Preferably and antique, that could have belonged to your grandpa.

    Tools are nice. I personally keep a smallish flat prybar with me at work when I am in an area where I cannot carry. A pipe wrench, hammer, or other heavy blunt tool would be plausible as well. Especially if you use them from time to time.

    Large gaudy indian brass statues and vases would also make for an effective weapon.

    As I said, usable but ludicris sounding, would be best in your situation.

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    My state's legislation (the second nastiest in the country) specify the use of 'reasonable and proportionate force'... in other words, what a regular person (see JURY) would agree was reasonable in the circumstance.

    Unfortuneately, in most cases, if a drunk or a druggie breaks in, you are basically fed the 'don't be a hero, wait for the police' line. That's not who I am. I'm not going to cower in the bedroom and call the police.

    A good example is the 16 year old drunk who, after being refused entry to a bar downstairs, scaled a wall and broke into the owner's residence upstairs after hours, where he, his wife and young children were staying. The owner gave the kid a whack with the bat... and ended up getting his arse sued off.
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    Can you own a tazer???? That would be a good, non-lethal option.
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    Nope. All anti personnel electronic devices (taser, myotron, stun gun) are also prohbited at a state and federal level.
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    How about OC (Pepper Spray)??? I just read a review for a duty grade LED Flashlight with OC Spray built in. The review in a police magazine is very positive and looks like something that would be an assist. From a police officers point of view, I can agree with the ball bat, but have to stand against the machette, just makes something for a prosecutor to jump onto. Maybe you can find a high quality kitchen knife with a strong blade. Looks better if you "grabbed" a kitchen knife to defend yourself, instead of a machette you purchased with the intent to whack someone with. Just perspective and something to mull over.
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    One of the nastiest as in "I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of it" non conventional weapons I have ever owned or tested is this guy right here. Trust me, you can ruin somebody's day in a hurry. Get the shorter one.

    However, and no offense to you personally I feel for you Australians having a government that wants you should suffer and die, I realize you live in socialist hell and something like that might not wash. Alternatives include:

    Sports Equipment... cricket or baseball anyone?

    A stick of some form... fairly effective instruments can be had in very innocuous looking packages

    Hand Tools... I have 22 ounce framing hammer that would cave a man's head in

    The other options you already listed are probably your best bet, but given the fact that it's basically illegal for you to stop anyone from trying to murder you or your family, you're going to have to go for subterfuge.

    In college my father and his dorm mates got around some restrictions on weapons possession by posing themselves as collectors... Heck I'd join the SCA and use it as an excuse to possess all sorts of stuff. That way you're not interested in illegal self defense, you're just a Ren Fair geek.

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    OC is out as well.

    Most weapons that come under the old style english ren fair category are also prohibitied.

    Ill have a look at the sjambok.
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    Basically you're stuck with unconventional and improvised weapons then. Could you get away with a quality tomahawk?

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    Dude even folks in south africa can get gun permits. Good luck!
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    Learn to use a bo staff. gives ya a bit of an edge length wise on a knife holder. too bad you live in an oppresive state.
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    disko, HUH ???..... You don't want to keep a metal baseball bat next to your bed to defend yourself,your loved ones,and your home,because your affraid that you might kill them?? Why do you suppose that the POS BG's have entered your home in the middle of the night? If your worried about doing too much damage to these kind of pond scum,simply move all your valuables out on the front porch. I (simi) understand the plight of the people in the disarmed countries. I feel sorry for you,but you should still have the very basic rights of self protection. Hey,if your really worried about doing toooooo(??) much damage to the BG,keep all 15-20 of your full swings below the waist.

    Funny that you mention the SAP from Boston Leather. As I type this, I have the 4 ply "Denver" in the left rear pocket of my shorts. Ask in another thread or PM me and I will be glad to give you a (mini) review. Basically, for the money their nice.

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    Boy, I knew it was bad down there, I just didn't realize how bad. It sounds like someone wrote your current laws to read, "if attacked lie down and die".
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