Stabbing v. Slashing

This is a discussion on Stabbing v. Slashing within the Defensive Knives & Other Weapons forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I have never been in a knife fight, I have defended against an edged weapon on three occasions. I never got cut but chalk it ...

Page 6 of 9 FirstFirst ... 23456789 LastLast
Results 76 to 90 of 123
Like Tree12Likes

Thread: Stabbing v. Slashing

  1. #76
    Senior Member Array mercop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    1,067
    I have never been in a knife fight, I have defended against an edged weapon on three occasions. I never got cut but chalk it up to more luck than skill and I will always take luck over skill:)

    What I teach is from experience and expertise is the most likely things I believe you will be able to pull off in the positions you are likely to end up in, not the ones you would like to be in.

    The anatomical truth is that a hammer fist with the pommel of a knife will stop someone faster than a stab to the heart even though the stab is more likely to eventually result in eventual death.

    I like to watch UFC but here are my thoughts on how it does not apply to the street-

    Concrete does not give like the mat.

    In the street you do not have a cage separating you from the bad guys friends.

    In the UFC their is no danger or even anxiety about multiple opponents or weapons.

    Even if you are knocked out and your attacker wants to keep damaging you their is someone in the octagon to protect you.

    Everything you are not allowed to do in the UFC are the first things you should do in real life.- George

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #77
    Senior Member Array psychophipps's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Texas, in the RGV
    Posts
    747
    Quote Originally Posted by mercop View Post
    I have never been in a knife fight, I have defended against an edged weapon on three occasions. I never got cut but chalk it up to more luck than skill and I will always take luck over skill:)

    What I teach is from experience and expertise is the most likely things I believe you will be able to pull off in the positions you are likely to end up in, not the ones you would like to be in.

    The anatomical truth is that a hammer fist with the pommel of a knife will stop someone faster than a stab to the heart even though the stab is more likely to eventually result in eventual death.

    I like to watch UFC but here are my thoughts on how it does not apply to the street-

    Concrete does not give like the mat.

    In the street you do not have a cage separating you from the bad guys friends.

    In the UFC their is no danger or even anxiety about multiple opponents or weapons.

    Even if you are knocked out and your attacker wants to keep damaging you their is someone in the octagon to protect you.

    Everything you are not allowed to do in the UFC are the first things you should do in real life.- George
    I completely agree with the above. The idea that you have to have done something or had it done to you to have any idea about it is pretty ignorant. Just because you've never been blown up by a grenade doesn't mean that you can't possibly know anything about safety with the things or automatically makes what you teach about grenade safety "just theory".

    I would add a few bits to the UFC thing:
    In the octagon you know that your opponent will fight back.

    They don't let you have concealed weapons in the octagon.

  4. #78
    Member Array ItsMyRight2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    SouthFlorida
    Posts
    315
    You guys are taking what I am saying wrong. I never said UFC was related to a real street fight. Especially now with all the rules its just a sport.

    And to compare the theory of how a grenade works to what we are talking about isn't even the same thing.lol

    Being in many real world combat situations and speaking from experience. Once the fight or flight response kicks in and your filled with adrenaline...all the training usually goes out the window. In training its almost impossible to simulate that feeling.

    And to each his own. If you wanna take the advice of what will work in a fight from someone who has never been in one.Well thats your choice. I personally look for proven tactics. There is nothing wrong with either way I guess.

    Could just be me being bitter for wasting time in many McDojo's listening to guys claiming there art is the best. So sorry if ranting.I'll shut up now.

  5. #79
    Senior Member Array mercop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    1,067
    As far as training going out the window I have to say BS. I too have been in many real world situations and my training was what carried me. Not specific tactics but strategy and principles.

    Even if you are not subjected to the specific threat you actually end up encountering in real life, just the inoculation of stress at that level is a huge benefit.

    Whenever I consider the usefulness of a tactic or technique I do so through a mental Rolodex containing everyone I have ever fought against, with, or trained from Joe Citizen to professional warriors of the highest caliber, in there lies a happy medium where the "average" individual resides. What do I think they will be able to do.- George

  6. #80
    VIP Member Array MitchellCT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    I don't post here anymore...Sorry
    Posts
    2,333
    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMyRight2 View Post
    And as far as I am concerned all these knife combat tactics and such are just theory. Ask your tactical knife instructor how many knife fights he/she has been in. Or the person that taught them the tactics etc. I am sure a majority answer would be none.
    I could ask Leo Gaje how many knife fights he's been in...but I don't want to be slapped around like a...

    I think I'll just take pekiti tirsia as a given for effectiveness.

    I'm crazy like that...

  7. #81
    Member Array BlindBlade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    TRAVELING
    Posts
    20

    Arrow

    Quote Originally Posted by mercop View Post
    How many times have you taken care of business with a stab up under the fifth rib with a 7" blade?

    My intention is not to discuss what is more effective, stabbing vs slashing since the truth is that a pommel strike between the eyes if you could manage it would stop a fight faster than a stab to the heart if you could manage that. Rather it is about my the fact that you are much more likely to be in a position to slash rather than stab regardless of what you want or are trained to do. To take advantage of that I advocate my Inverted Edge Tactics since it uses the natural funnels created between the arms and torso, and between the legs to hook your knife into vital targets.

    As far as being able to find specific target on the body, have you ever been trained in CPR? Have you ever given it? Even in lighted conditions you need to use your fingers to landmark the correct position on the sternum. Taking this example into consideration I think it is unlike that you will be able to aim for a specific target on your attacker in low light conditions, with both of you moving, under stress. - George

    the answer is : several times.
    cpr ? yes.
    hitting a specific target does
    require the use of fingers.correct.
    wrapping the fingers of your left
    hand around anothers throut , &
    picking them up always opens
    the area for the jab.
    how about actualy getting into
    a real fight or two, before you try
    tellig someone else ,what is effective,
    or not. i'm not here to argue.
    thats my attorney's job .

  8. #82
    Distinguished Member Array AutoFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Arid Zone A
    Posts
    1,561
    The blessedly few times I have been in an adrenaline dump situation, it was my training that allowed me to function.

    I know that if I am in a knife fight, I will get cut, unless I can use a weapon that will allow me distance to disarm or disable my attacker.

    If you want to use Martial Arts to defend yourself, find a style with self defense orientation and practice, practice, practice until you don't think about moves anymore.

  9. #83
    Senior Member Array unloved's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Southeastern Pennsylvania
    Posts
    568
    Quote Originally Posted by BlindBlade View Post
    the answer is : several times.
    cpr ? yes.
    hitting a specific target does
    require the use of fingers.correct.
    wrapping the fingers of your left
    hand around anothers throut , &
    picking them up always opens
    the area for the jab.
    how about actualy getting into
    a real fight or two, before you try
    tellig someone else ,what is effective,
    or not. i'm not here to argue.
    thats my attorney's job .
    Thank you guru. I'll be sure to pick the mugger up by his throut next time.

  10. #84
    VIP Member
    Array Thumper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Nevada
    Posts
    7,235
    Quote Originally Posted by mercop View Post
    No part of MCS including IET relies on pain compliance or psychological response. When you think about how hard it is to judge response from Central Nervous Disruption, Circulatory Disruption, and structural disruption, things we all have in common you realize that using pain compliance and psychological stoppages have no place in a legitimate survival mindset. They more than anything physical differ greatly from person to person. Consider that many here work on our mindset that we will continue to fight no matter the level of pain or how scared we are you realize that you can never count on anything to be 100% but some things are not to be counted on at all. Just my $.02- George
    Excellent, thanks!
    ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!

    "A superior Operator is best defined as someone who uses his superior
    judgement to keep himself out of situations that would require a display of his
    superior skills."

  11. #85
    Senior Member Array mercop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    1,067
    Quote Originally Posted by BlindBlade View Post
    the answer is : several times.
    cpr ? yes.
    hitting a specific target does
    require the use of fingers.correct.
    wrapping the fingers of your left
    hand around anothers throut , &
    picking them up always opens
    the area for the jab.
    how about actualy getting into
    a real fight or two, before you try
    tellig someone else ,what is effective,
    or not. i'm not here to argue.
    thats my attorney's job .
    OK, time for details. Was this CONUS or OCONUS. In the line of duty or as a civilian. What brought you and the attacker together? What was the physical environment? What were you carrying and where were you carrying it? Was there more than one attacker? Were you also armed with a firearm and if so why did you choose to use a knife instead? Where did you receive your training? After your stab to the throat, did they stop aggressive action right away or require further attention? How long did it take for them to die? I have more questions but will start with these. Thanks- George

  12. #86
    Senior Member Array mercop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    1,067
    Back to waiting

  13. #87
    Member Array BlindBlade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    TRAVELING
    Posts
    20

    Post

    1. those borders are questionable.
    2.-5b. N/A.
    6. yes.
    7.-7.b. yes:silence.
    8.NUNYA.
    9.-9.b. throat grab.not stab.(vagus roll).
    it hard to be aggressive,when brain is
    h2 starved. remember the initial
    stab location ?
    10.180 seconds.
    11.your questions are finished.

    now back to stabbing vs. slashing:
    give it all you have.you can only lose once.

  14. #88
    VIP Member Array LongRider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    2,618
    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMyRight2 View Post
    I believe stabbing to be the best but only if you have a target and not just trying to poke a bunch of holes in someone. If you look at the way prisoners do it they usually go for the same spots being the neck,and other organs. You would have to know the basics of the human anatomy to be a good stabber.
    By way of background I volunteered in a prison for over a decade working with Nam Era vets with PTSD. I have seen over three hundred stabbings just under a third of those were fatal.
    What you described has happened once in the over three hundred stabbing I saw. One precision stabbing where the guy was hit twice both in vital areas and was dead before he hit the ground. ALL others were ALOT of holes punched until some vital areas were hit. Even than the victims continued to fight. Prison knife attacks bear far more resemblance to an attack by a pack of rabid wolves than any thing remotely like a precision hit.
    Based on having been cut a few times, obviously I lived and what I have seen. Survival of any knife attack requires that regardless of who initiated the attack. The survivor must instantly go on the offensive. Punching as many holes into the attacker and causing as much blood loss as possible, as quickly as possible, in whatever way they can. Even than. Even AFTER the attacker has been fatally stabbed it is reasonable to expect that they will keep coming. I can sight dozens of cases where men have been fatally stabbed and still fought on. IMO based on what I have seen everyone who fights defensively in a knife fight dies. Anyone who tries to just hit the targeted areas dies.
    Abort the Obamanation not the Constitution

    Those who would, deny, require permit, license, certification, or authorization for me to bear arms are as vile, dangerous & evil as those who would molest, abuse, assault, rape or murder my family

  15. #89
    Senior Member Array mercop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    1,067
    Good information LongRider

  16. #90
    Senior Member Array psychophipps's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Texas, in the RGV
    Posts
    747
    Agreed. Good info, LongRider. This is basically the same info I received from my ex-con acquaintances. The one thing I do have to add is that their experience was that attacks that breached the trachea and arteries of the neck resulted in much faster incapacitation than attacks to the vital areas of the torso.

Page 6 of 9 FirstFirst ... 23456789 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Target store stabbing
    By mr.stuart in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: May 3rd, 2010, 10:49 PM
  2. Stabbing
    By cbp210 in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: October 28th, 2009, 12:58 PM
  3. Road Rage Stabbing in Del City, OK
    By Sig 210 in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: February 22nd, 2009, 01:14 AM
  4. Road rage leads to stabbing
    By grady in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: January 22nd, 2009, 08:20 AM
  5. Man Sought in Psychologist’s Stabbing
    By ellerblr in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: February 17th, 2008, 03:51 PM

Search tags for this page

best knife for stabbing
,
knife fight stab or slash
,
knife slashing techniques
,
slash or stab
,

slash vs stab

,
slashing or stabbing
,

slashing vs stabbing

,
stab or slash
,

stab vs slash

,
stabbing or slashing
,
stabbing techniques
,

stabbing vs slashing

Click on a term to search for related topics.