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    Cheapest AR15 with flat top

    Looking for a cheap but reliable tactical style rifle for 3 gun match. Would like it to have a Flat top with rail to accept optics. Any ideas?? The other option is a Keltec SU-16c but I cannot find them anywhere.


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    Cheap and reliable?? Do you mean less expensive and reliable?

    M&P is probably too expensive..
    Stay AWAY from Colt..
    Bushmaster is iffy on price..
    Olympic Arms.. you be the judge ..

    I would say DPMS Sportical (No fwd assit) But do you really need that? I've shot over 100K rds in my military career thus far easily and have not utilized but only 1 friggin time and that was a required drill. But im a NAZI at keeping my weapon clean and wet.
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    less expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangoseal View Post
    M&P is probably too expensive..
    Stay AWAY from Colt..
    Bushmaster is iffy on price..
    Olympic Arms.. you be the judge ..

    I would say DPMS Sportical (No fwd assit)
    You recommend a DPMS over a Colt. Would you mind explaining why?

    jwalker, as a competition shooter your goal is fast, accurate shooting against the clock, right? This upper assembly and this free-float handguard net you a great upper for $545. Lower assemblies can be built for $240 or less. Assuming you upgrade the grip (most competitors do) and include shipping and transfer fees, this is a complete rifle minus sights for right about $850. This is basically the lowest price you're going to get a good quality AR-15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jwalker497 View Post
    Looking for a cheap but reliable tactical style rifle for 3 gun match. W
    I work in the jet engine biz. There used to be a sign in the design department which read: Good - Fast - Cheap: Pick Two

    Cheap and reliable ARs are probably mutually exclusive. What level of reliability is acceptable? 1000 rounds without component failure? 10,000 rounds? Chances are you'll get a few thousand rounds out of an Olympic Arms or DPMS without any major snafus, but if you're looking for tens of thousands of rounds, you'll be better served by a Colt, a S+W, Bravo Company, Lewis Machine + Tool, or Noveske. Nonetheless, plan on replacing springs and piston rings (on the bolt) every 3-5000 rounds.

    You might be well-served by looking for lightly-used guns, now that prices have moderated. ARs which are not involved in competition or serious training tend to have just a few hundred rounds through them.
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    Bud's has Doublestars for $669 delivered. AR-15 deals don't get much better than that.
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    Check out the new CDNN catalog. Mine has a S&W M&P 15 for $799 and come with 15 mags...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAC View Post
    You recommend a DPMS over a Colt. Would you mind explaining why? -B

    OK...COLT has defecated on the civilian market for decades. It's been a few years but a buddy ordered a match grade AR in the 90s, we took it out to the range with a reloader and attempted to develop a match round for it. The BEST we could get with select, neck turned brass, hand weighed powder and Sierra Match Kings was 1˝” at 100 yards.

    When he called COLT he was told “Inch and half groups at 100 yards is within our in house definition of Match Grade Accuracy.” Heck that is the outer limit of hunting accuracy.

    I saw a Gold Cup with the front of the slide cur at an angle so you could see daylight between the slide and barrel bushing at the recoils spring plug. It was senr back and they returned it without doing anything saying everything was "within factory spesifications."

    The only reason I would own a COLT is if I got it cheap enough I could screw over some dumb sap that REALLY wanted a pony on his gun.

    (Except if I could find NICE snake, that I would keep)

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    Ideology isn't a very good reason, especially now that Colt's created a dedicated department/wing/company segment specifically for commercial sales of AR-15s. To civilians. An example of one rifle isn't a whole lot to base an opinion on. Was it a full-length rifle or a carbine? Do you remember the rate of twist? How many other people are happy with their Colt "match" rifles? The 1911 example isn't really appropriate, as the guys who make their rifles aren't the same guys who make their handguns.

    I can agree with the argument that "Colt is not inexpensive" and is likely more than someone needs to pay to get into 3-gunning. I can agree with someone's aversion to the company if they've been screwed by 'em in the past. Those are really the only arguments against them, though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BAC View Post
    Ideology isn't a very good reason, especially now that Colt's created a dedicated department/wing/company segment specifically for commercial sales of AR-15s. To civilians. An example of one rifle isn't a whole lot to base an opinion on. Was it a full-length rifle or a carbine? Do you remember the rate of twist? How many other people are happy with their Colt "match" rifles? The 1911 example isn't really appropriate, as the guys who make their rifles aren't the same guys who make their handguns.

    I can agree with the argument that "Colt is not inexpensive" and is likely more than someone needs to pay to get into 3-gunning. I can agree with someone's aversion to the company if they've been screwed by 'em in the past. Those are really the only arguments against them, though.


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    The Colt is the only American vendor with access to the official DoD "design package", which specifies not just the dimensions of the gun but also the materials and process specifications, such as MPI on critical parts like the barrel and bolt. Although the AR design has been around for 60 years, the other AR builders can only guess at how to reverse engineer these aspects. Some get it right, but a lot don't.

    That said, it does seem true that Colt abandoned the civilian market some years ago. But the military and law-enforcement carbines such as the 6920 are rugged shooters and will keep perking away long ofter the Olys, Panthers and Bushamsters have broken down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAC View Post
    You recommend a DPMS over a Colt. Would you mind explaining why?

    jwalker, as a competition shooter your goal is fast, accurate shooting against the clock, right? This upper assembly and this free-float handguard net you a great upper for $545. Lower assemblies can be built for $240 or less. Assuming you upgrade the grip (most competitors do) and include shipping and transfer fees, this is a complete rifle minus sights for right about $850. This is basically the lowest price you're going to get a good quality AR-15.


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    Because he said cheap err less expensive.

    Lets see a Colt LE6920 for avg of $1300-1500 depending on where you live or ....

    DPMS Sportical for $699.

    Hence my recommendation.

    If he said price was not an opt. I would have recommended:

    Noveske
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    By the way let me edit..

    Stay AWAY from Colt because they are $$$$$$$$ compared to the other recommendations here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAC View Post
    Ideology isn't a very good reason, especially now that Colt's created a dedicated department/wing/company segment specifically for commercial sales of AR-15s. To civilians. An example of one rifle isn't a whole lot to base an opinion on. Was it a full-length rifle or a carbine? Do you remember the rate of twist? How many other people are happy with their Colt "match" rifles? The 1911 example isn't really appropriate, as the guys who make their rifles aren't the same guys who make their handguns.
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    I'm 57, been shooting since I was 4 and got my first BB gun, those are just 2 examples of COLT POS off the top of my head, I have seen much more, like an out of time new Agent 38..............Sorry I didn't keep a notarized file for you

    Was it a full-length rifle or a carbine? Do you remember the rate of twist?
    20 years ago like I'm gonna remember every spec of a buddy’s rifle, it was ordered as "National Match Rifle"(never heard of a National Match carbine), he was a hard core competitive shooter so I assume he had the proper components, tried 4-6 different powders etc etc etc. spent ~10 hours at the range. The problem is COLT saying 1 1/2 was "in house deff of match grade accuracy" and wouldn’t even consider taking a look at it.

    now that Colt's created a dedicated department/wing/company segment specifically for commercial sales of AR-15s. To civilians.
    Yea now that they have lost most all of their government contracts (makes ya kinda wonder why don't it) and need us.

    Just soured on COLT over the years.

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    Occasionally you can run across a good deal on the M&P 15 from Smith & Wesson, plus I think they're going to do that promo deal again where you can get five free Magpul PMags (if you live in a state that allows standard capacity magazines).

    My Dad has a Colt Sporter M16A2 style AR and its a pretty solid rifle but too big for my liking, I much prefer the M4. Colt makes good ARs too and I shot a Colt 6920 in the past and it didn't shoot any better than my M&P but given the 1/7 barrel twist it can accurately fire the heavier bullet weights but I've only shot 55 grain .223 rounds. If my gun shop had the Colt 6920 for 1,200 dollars instead of 1,600 I would probably have bought that instead. I wouldn't pay more than that for any AR-15.

    I still love my M&P15 though!
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