Newbie help on picking an AR

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    Link to Rob_s site: Tacticalyellowvisor.net

    There is a ton of technical info on this site.

    From the site choose Charts for a link to his latest M4 chart.

    For convenience: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...QsEuEhjFwPrgTA

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    Hey Aznav, I'm a newbie to AR's.

    I felt a need for a shtf rifle.

    After doing a lot of research, I went with a Colt LE 6920.

    Ordered it from Top Gun Supply ($1,149), had it shipped to my FFL, and got it in 4 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simmy952 View Post
    I picked up a Bushmaster ORC. I did the customizing myself. Added an Osprey gas piston kit, MOE handguard, magpul stock, and Eotech 557. I like the 557 because I purchased it in a kit that had a magnifier with it. Can handle the short stuff as well as a little longer if needed. It is not that hard to do. I am not a fan of heavy barrels because of the added weight and I am not really using it for long range accuracy. One thing that is most important is good ammo. Tried some wolf and some other cheap stuff and had nothing but problems. Shop around and fing good 5.56 ammo and you won't have any problems.
    So, you don't like the added weight of a heavy barrel, but you put a gas piston kit on your Bushy? Do you run an SBR'd suppressed gun?

    If not, now you have a heavy, overpriced, fiddly complicated, logistically unsupported system and you still have problems with ammo. Even my el cheapo DI Del-Ton Frankenguns shoot everything I feed them.

    If you spent more than $800 all together, I question the wisdom of your choices, much less recommending someone else do it.

    Gas Piston ARs are toys. Quality DI guns run well-lubed are more reliable than anyone but SBR with suppressor guys need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    Hey Aznav, I'm a newbie to AR's.

    I felt a need for a shtf rifle.

    After doing a lot of research, I went with a Colt LE 6920.

    Ordered it from Top Gun Supply ($1,149), had it shipped to my FFL, and got it in 4 days.
    That is a smoking deal. No kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simmy952 View Post
    I picked up a Bushmaster ORC. I did the customizing myself. Added an Osprey gas piston kit, MOE handguard, magpul stock, and Eotech 557. I like the 557 because I purchased it in a kit that had a magnifier with it. Can handle the short stuff as well as a little longer if needed. It is not that hard to do. I am not a fan of heavy barrels because of the added weight and I am not really using it for long range accuracy. One thing that is most important is good ammo. Tried some wolf and some other cheap stuff and had nothing but problems. Shop around and fing good 5.56 ammo and you won't have any problems.
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    You've already received some very good advice, here's my $.02:

    A more exact budget would be helpful. Spikes and S&W are probably the least expensive I would go for a defensive AR. That's not to say there aren't "lesser" guns that run like the proverbial sewing machine, but spending a bit more gives you a better chance of having a gun that will run from new and into higher rounds counts with routine maintenance.

    Sights: starting with irons is a good idea until you learn more about the various optics available and what you want from an optic. Most ARs have 1913 rails on the upper, this is a good thing, it increases versatility. For "point and shoot" it doesn't get much simpler than an Aimpoint, IMO. There is not much simpler than putting a dot where you want the bullet to go and pulling the trigger. Aimpoints have the added advantage of insane battery life. It's measured in years, so leave it on and change the battery once every two years or one year, depending on model and brightness. This leaves you with a sight that's always ready to go and is faster and easier to use under stress and in low light than irons. I prefer the micro series due to the 50k hour battery life and the low size and weight. They weigh 5-6ozs depending on the mount you use.

    You will also want a light. There are many options when it comes to light/mount combos. They are simplified/better when you have a railed HG, which leads me to my next point.

    Upgrades/Accessories: Once you get comfortable with the basics, there will probably be things to you want to change to make your AR fit your needs/preferences more closely. There's too much info out there to really get into it, but starting off with a more basic rifle allows you to custom tailor your AR to get the exact results for your desires and budget.

    All this is moot without some training, so get comfortable with the basics and then go take a class from a reputable instructor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aznav View Post
    Please translate first four sentences.
    Trust me. You don't need to know. None of that applies given your original requirements. But, since you asked:

    Bushmaster ORC = Bushmaster brand, Optics-ready carbine.

    Osprey Gas piston kit = Changes the AR from it's designed and intended direct gas impingement action to a short-stroke gas piston. I could go into a long technical description, but suffice it to say that gas piston conversions are fussy, are an attempt to solve "problems" that most competent AR shooters say are non-existent, and they develop other problems that are much, much more serious than the alleged problems they supposedly solve. Google "bolt carrier tilt" if you're interested. Direct Impingement rifles have universal repair parts, meaning ANY AR manufacturer part will probably fit on them and function reliably if you need to replace a part.

    MOE handguard - This I agree with. It is a cheap replacement for your stock handguards that give them some of the capabilities to mount stuff later on at a relatively cheap price. I hate those metal rails you see on ARs. Most folks either don't use them, or use them improperly anyway, and MOE (Magpul Original Equipment) handguards do most everything the rails do, only cheaper and lighter.

    Magpul stock - Magpul is a company that makes plastic fixtures and doo-dads for AR type rifles and carbines. Once you get your carbine, google "Magpul" and buy anything there you'd like, if you'd like to. Magpul stuff is generally affordable and good. But shoot your carbine stock, first.

    Eotech 557 - Eotechs are holographic sights. The 55x series have a battery box in front of them, are relatively large, and have a reputation for short battery life and unreliability. Eotech makes a lighter, newer line called the XPS which is an attempt to fix the weight and reliability issues. Google "Eotech XPS" and you'll see. Personally, I like Aimpoint, but wish the Eotech and Aimpoint would mate and have children and combine the strongest points of both.

    Don't sweat stuff you don't understand. Buy yourself a carbine, shoot it and tell us about it. Or get yourself over to M4Carbine.net Forums - Powered by vBulletin and start reading up on AR carbines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peckman28 View Post
    Get yourself a Colt LE6920 and don't look back.


    Also, look here and read this:

    So you want to buy an AR-15, huh? - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com

    Lots of good info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 120mm View Post
    MOE handguard - This I agree with. It is a cheap replacement for your stock handguards that give them some of the capabilities to mount stuff later on at a relatively cheap price. I hate those metal rails you see on ARs. Most folks either don't use them, or use them improperly anyway, and MOE (Magpul Original Equipment) handguards do most everything the rails do, only cheaper and lighter.
    The 7" DD lite and M4 rails are both slightly lighter than MOE handguards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texag View Post
    The 7" DD lite and M4 rails are both slightly lighter than MOE handguards.
    Okay, so you got me there.

    I still don't like rails, though, as I am cheap. And usually lighten your wallet quite a bit...

    But I don't think the OP is ready for a rails versus handguards discussion yet.

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    Give me another week. Work kicking my butt (but SO glad to have work) and I want to walk through all of this slowly. Again, many thanks for all the good input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 120mm View Post
    Okay, so you got me there.

    I still don't like rails, though, as I am cheap. And usually lighten your wallet quite a bit...

    But I don't think the OP is ready for a rails versus handguards discussion yet.
    Agreed.

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    Found you some more good reading....
    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...-progress.html

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    You've already got lots of good advice on the rifle itself. I myself went with an Armalite (M-15A4).

    I think you'll find that all of the mid-classed brands will perform fine, and the top notch makers will do even better. The one thing that will bring any good AR to its knees it low quality mags. I have found that the best quality magazines are Magpul PMags. They have the best feel, no sharp edges, a true anti-tilt follower and are practically indestructible. You can see some punishment here:
    YouTube - Magpul PMag versus a Chevy Truck

    Granted, you're not going to run your mags over with a truck, but they are tough and feed reliably. They are relatively cheap too:
    MAG-089 - Mag Magpul PMAG 30 Maglevel AR-15 .223, 30 Rounds Dark Earth Magazine with Window, Pop Off Storage Dust Cover
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    I just got my 1st AR. I went with a CMMG bargain bin chrome lined 1:7 twist and all the other little bells and whistles. $675 shipped to FFL transfer $20...so less than $700. I got 2 magpul p mags at gun show $10 bucks each. I am adding Magpul MOE accessories, but you wouldnt have to.

    Yes this is a suppose to be a slightly used gun, but mine is free of any cosmetic flaws...looks like a brand new gun. I went out last weekend and put over 200 rds of .223 (cuz 5.56 is hard to find in my area) w/out a single hiccup.
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