Which .308 battle rifle has the most bang for the buck

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    Ahhh, OK.

    I'm stating things from my point of view, and knowing Buckeye's experiences far exceed my own, I think he knows where I'm coming from and what I meant.

    In this thread, we're discussing equipment, not the training involving the use of such equipment.

    The point I was making is that when I buy a gun, I want it the way I want it (with the exception of a few minor tweaks) from the factory. I don't want to pick up a $1K+ rifle and then spend $2K making it they way I want, especially if I'm only going to put about 1K rounds or less through it in a year.

    While I can get away with not shooting the rifle as much, that doesn't mean that everyone can. I do intend to shoot my rifle a little more now that our IDPA club is adding rifle side matches but to those that don't participate in such things I don't know what to tell you.

    Other than actually going out and forking over the cash for a carbine class etc. nothing is really going to prepare one for using a rifle in less than optimal conditions. Sitting on a static bench shooting is good for fun, but for the new rifle shooter it's not tactically (Did I just use the "T" word? ) beneficial.

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    Gotcha. I run into the same problems with all the ranges around here. 1 shot per second, no drawing from the holster, shooting and moving would make the world explode, etc.

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    I went with a Century FN-FAL (the L1A1 with a metric reciever) with a DSA scopemount and a compact scope.



    Since I do not have your or JD's experience with a rifle I took a carbine class with my M1 carbine (in a class full of AR's). I found the class much more valuable than any pistol class I have taken and recommend one to all civillian shooters.
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    JD (or anyone), any idea of those PMAGS work in Noveske 7.62s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    JD (or anyone), any idea of those PMAGS work in Noveske 7.62s?
    I don't think so, Noveske uses the same mags as the Armalites.

    Noveske N6 and Armalite AR-10 7.62mm latest Generation magazines.

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    This is straight from the Magpul website.

    •Commercial rifle compatibility includes the KAC SR25, DPMS LR308, LWRCI REPR, LMT 7.62 MRP, LaRue Tactical OBR, POF P-308, JP Enterprises LRP-07 and others
    NOTE: NOT compatible with Armalite AR-10, Rock River Arms LAR8, and any other rifles that utilize M14 type, FN FAL, or HK 91/G3 magazines
    I dont know what lower the Noveske rifles use but hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Something to think about on the AR-10 types.

    You can have a 20" or 24" scoped tophalf for the longer shots...and you can have a 16" for everything else.

    In a about a minute you could have the rifle suited for whatever it needs to do.
    That is one of the great things about AR platforms, is how modular they are, and the fact that I'm rather familiar with them, so control and such would be in mostly the right spot. An AR 10 with a 16 inch barrel would be a bit much for HD probably, but for a SHTF rifle, would probably be rather handy. Heres a question, does anyone know of any AR-10s that will accept M1A magazines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    I don't think so, Noveske uses the same mags as the Armalites.

    Noveske N6 and Armalite AR-10 7.62mm latest Generation magazines.
    Yeah, I assumed because they can take Armalite lowers on their (Noveske's) uppers, that they were a no-go for the PMAGs. Bummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyeLCPL View Post
    That is one of the great things about AR platforms, is how modular they are, and the fact that I'm rather familiar with them, so control and such would be in mostly the right spot. An AR 10 with a 16 inch barrel would be a bit much for HD probably, but for a SHTF rifle, would probably be rather handy. Heres a question, does anyone know of any AR-10s that will accept M1A magazines?

    Somehow I turned into Rambo in this thread, I'm just a grunt who does his job, nothing more, the rifle gets carried much, much more than it gets shot.
    Well you have to remember that I was just a lowly radio tech and you are big bad knuckle dragging 03killem'all_ _.

    I don't think you can directly use and M1A mag in an AR10 type without modding it, but the Armalite and similar can use them once modded IIRC . Rock River LAR-8s uses L1A1 & FAL mags

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    The Armalite AR-10's were originally made to accept the MIA mags, but there were problems with reliability due to the mags not all being made to the same tolerances.

    For some time the newer mags have had the mag retention notch moved just a bit. You can use original mags but they must be filed out a bit, in fact, the Armalite mags are just modified M1A mags.

    The newer built form the ground up mags produced by Armalite for the Armalite are correct although they are pricey. Its one of the reasons I went with the Rock River.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    Well you have to remember that I was just a lowly radio tech and you are big bad knuckle dragging 03killem'all_ _.

    I don't think you can directly use and M1A mag in an AR10 type without modding it, but the Armalite and similar can use them once modded IIRC . Rock River LAR-8s uses L1A1 & FAL mags

    A radio tech in OIF 1, right? Don't sell yourself short.

    Learn something new everyday, thanks for the input on the mags guys. So far Ive narrowed it down to a PTR 91 clone, the DPSM LR-308 with the 24" bull barrel, a standard M1 if I can get a good deal, or a century metric FAL. I need to get to a gun store and start handling these suckers. I'd say right now the top runner is the dpms though, although then I'm gonna need a scope for sure, thank God I got 7 months tax free pay.
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    The DPMS is a good gun, I just didnt like the fact that it didnt have a foward assist. There were a bunch of them on sale here for 799, but none of them had the FA.
    That 24" bull barrell is alot of gun. If you do go with it, do yourself a favor and get a good scope to put on it...something like a Leupold MK4 10x or something worthy of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    The DPMS is a good gun, I just didnt like the fact that it didnt have a foward assist. There were a bunch of them on sale here for 799, but none of them had the FA.
    That 24" bull barrell is alot of gun. If you do go with it, do yourself a favor and get a good scope to put on it...something like a Leupold MK4 10x or something worthy of it.
    I can live without having the forward assist, although it make take some time not to slap the side of the receiver after putting in a new mag every time. I'd probably have to put something decent on it at firt, like a lower end Leupold, or maybe try out one of the new Redfields I saw in the gun rags, and then put on a scope like it deserves as an EAS present to myself or the like.

    Although I also just found the RRA LAR-8, so many choices, so little pay for an E-3.
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    Some DPMS .308's (AP-4, for example) do have a forward assist...
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    I have very little experience with them, but I believe there's a PTR-91 somewhere in my future. Maybe many years down the road, but it's in my plans somewhere in there.
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