RANGE REPORT: Kel-Tec Sub 2000 40 cal Folding Carbine
V-E-R-Y accurate. Well for an INDOOR range where the max shot is 25 yards. But kept all shots inside a two-three inch group dead center, although a little bit low. I think this was primarily me and a difficulty in getting a good spot weld with my shooting muffs vs a good sight picture with my OLD eyes. Still I was very happy with the results. I kept my target and I'll try to post a pic. Definitely good enough for government work.
Having said that:
I'M GETTING RID OF THIS FIREARM!:aargh4:
It kicks like Tennessee White Lightnin'! I couldn't believe the PAIN this gun generated in my shoulder! I am literally BRUISED today. If I had to fire this gun in a hostile situation, I'd fire it from the hip. The reason I bought the gun is for my WIFE to use to back me up. That just ain't gonna work. She took one look at my shoulder pocket today and announced she'd stick with her 45 Commander thank you very much!
The gun also failed to chamber a couple of different types of rounds. Since this was a "shakedown run" I fed it ball and a variety of JHP fodder. This could be a normal break-in period and I realize that. ALSO the bolt is extremely difficult to bring into a locked to the rear position. Difficult to manipulate and I'd hate to try and do this under a lot of pressure. The gun dropped the mag it was supplied with, but it held onto the mags I put into it from the M22 & M23 as well as the ultra hi-cap Scherer. By "DROP" I mean that in the middle of a string, it literally slid from the mag well and hit the tray of the range barrier behind which I stood. Now, it is possible that I myself hit the mag release, since this was a new shooting experience. I'm just relating the events.
I bought the gun to serve as a trip combo with my Glock M27 due to the capability to use the same mags...well no M27 9rd mag exchange... but both will use the M22 & M23 & Scherer 29rd mags. It seemed like the perfect combination for me. Now, I'm rethinking this strategy. I'd much rather use my Mini-14 with the factory folding stock. I carry it in the rectangular case I have that is very similar to the case I bought for the Sub 2000 carbine. It doesn't look like a "gun case." Since I'm of using the Mini-14 I can also rethink my primary sidearm and might in fact use my Sig P245 OR I plan to get a Sig P229 SAS with the DAK trigger.
Kel-Tec 40 carbine...the gun for the true MASOCHIST
I had the 9mm. It was a pussycat to fire! I traded it even-steven
Originally Posted by Freedz
for the Beretta M92FS that I currently use for IDPA competitions. I love the Beretta to compete with, but I wouldn't carry it on the street as a matter of habit. I will carry it upstate to the FL state match in a few days and I'll feel well armed especially with the 17rd flush fitting Mec-Gar mags I have, but for me the 9mm is strictly for the competition game.
Geeze I couldn't BELIEVE the recoil on the Kel-Tec! My THEORY is that it was a sharp PUNCH because of the stock configuration being straight back rather than the more traditional comb drop of a wooden stocked rifle. Also the very light weight.
The student I was teaching (a true novice) wanted to shoot the thing, but I refused lest I turn the little gal off guns forever! That would be irresponsible. I mean, I was dressed for the south Florida sun and humidity...if I was wearing a P.A.S.T. recoil shield, there wouldn't have been a problem, obviously. But I've fired dozens of rounds of 12ga from my Benelli M121 in IDPA competition strings without even a hint of pain....I've fired my M1A in similar conditions. Even my GARAND didn't hurt like this!
My glock magged sub 2000 shoots great.
Not only does it shoot with no problems (over 1400 rounds so far), but the recoil is less than the .40 pistol that I carry. It has been rated at A- as a home defense weapon when compared with 3 other weapons and my 100 lb. wife shoots it with little effort and loves the accuracy. I can't imagine what all the fuss is about and I would like to buy all of your "too hard to handle" .40's.
Originally Posted by ExSoldier
Sincerely, Full Metal Hippy