The Ultimate Combat Shotgun

[10thmtn]

Eh...just flip it sideways and fire it "gangsta" style...

Detachable mags are ok for pistols and rifles - but for large shotgun shells, I just prefer tube mags.

A semi auto tube-mag fed shotgun will carry just as many shells in the tube, and more in a butt cuff or shell carrier...and fire just as fast. I just can't imagine too many folks grabbing a Saiga and a couple of those big spare mags. It's also easier to top off the tube mags.

Anyways...have fun with it - for the cool factor if nothing else.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[goawayfarm]

....07 FFL with a SOT, I can legally make suppressors,SBR's,SBS's and integrally suppressed rifles......

Manufacturers with SOTs don't have to pay a tax on each item that they make. We have to send a notice to the ATF of what we have made, then when that item is sold the buyer pays the 200 transfer fee. I can keep it without paying, that is covered in the 500 fee that I pay each year to the ATF for the Special Occupational Tax,also known as SOT.

Can you elaborate on the $200 part? It sounds like the FFL dealer gets the $200....is that correct? If so, I'm going to start buying a bunch of stuff! I thought the ATF got the $200....if that's not the case, I'm all for the dealer getting it!

[HotGuns]

No, the dealer/manufacturer dosent get it. The 200 fee is known as a "Tax Stamp" because when you get your paperwork back it actually has a stamp in the upper right corner, usually signed by the ATF agent that approved it.

The ATF gets the money. Its a cash cow for them.

[Katana]

Love those milled slots in the forearm, HG. Wish I'd thought of that. Just got a few of those 8 round surefire mags myself last month, & they've ran perfectly in the 150 rounds of 00 federal 2 3/4 that I've put through them.

Anyway, she's a beaut!

[cammo]

Whoa. Two questions. 1) where is a good online place for Saiga info and discussion? 2) you say it runs a tight pattern at 40 yards...how tight - what's the measurement approx with what types of shell?

How about an online video on Utube??

cg

[HotGuns]

forum.Saiga-12.com

40 yards is the typical distance for patterning a shotgun.
I've patterned it with 00buck, No.4 and 6 shot. It all stays within a 30 inch circle.

It patterns well enough to hunt with, in fact, I'm seriously thinking of taking it turket hunting in a few weeks.

[ks kid]

That is a sweet shotgun.

[cammo]

Thanks. I've just bookmarked. I need a project long-gun.

[zero]

The 8 rounder isn't a whole lot longer than a 30 round AK mag.

HotGuns is correct, here's the SGM 8 rounder next to an AK mag.

The AGP 10 round is just a little longer than the SGM 8....the 12 rounder's are very long.

[OD*]

Looks great!

[INccwchris]

hotguns, would i have to keep the tax stamp with me if i went to the range with an SBR? I have been thinking about having my AK done as an SBR and still want to shoot it, also is it true that if a weapon is made before 1985 that it can be made fully auto. I have an AK made in 68 and would like it to be auto, could u pm me with how to legally do these two things

[HotGuns]

Its always a good idea to keep the paperwork with you.

is it true that if a weapon is made before 1985 that it can be made fully auto. I have an AK made in 68 and would like it to be auto,

Not true. A machine gun that was registered before 1985 is legal, no new ones can be built unless you are the police or the military. If you are neither, the only legal way left to do it is to become an 07/02 FFL and make one for a dealer sample to show or if you have a 01/02 FFL with an 03 SOT, also known as a Class 3 dealer.

Just because a gun was made before 1985 does not give it the ability to become a legal full auto.

[10thmtn]

HotGuns is correct, here's the SGM 8 rounder next to an AK mag.

The AGP 10 round is just a little longer than the SGM 8....the 12 rounder's are very long.

This may be true, but the radius of the curve is different. Seems like the 12 gauge mag would stick out more from the bottom of the weapon, because it is straighter.

In any case, I've usually favored 20 round mags for rifles - just seem handier to me, especially from prone.

As a patrol shotgun, I'm sure it will be fine - he'll likely have spare mags on his chest rig, or maybe a BDU pocket (?). But for home defense, when you are just going to grab your shotgun, I don't think most people will grab a spare mag when they are in their underwear at 3am. You're better off with a plain old tube fed shotty with some spare ammo on the gun - just easier to grab up. JMHO - YMMV.

[HotGuns]

Its the shortness of it that spreads the sweetness.

[zero]

10thmtn you got me curious about how much it sticks out. Had the S12 out today so I snapped a few pics with a 7.62 30 round on top for comparison (I like taking gun pics if you can't tell already). First one is with a SGM 8 round mag and the second is an AGP 10 round mag.


FWIW - The shottie that sleeps next to me is a Defender 1300, it even has its own night light. If I have to bust out the S12 things have gotten real bad (god forbid).

Stay safe.