357 Mag Rifle

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    You know, I don't think bolts are that much slower, if at all, to reload than a lever action. Well, those with the 60 degree action at any rate. Sure, you have less rounds, but with practice you can work the action pretty damn fast. It just requires more practice to do so. From what I've seen is that most shooters with bolt action rifles don't work on working the action with speed. Which is a damn shame because a fast reload means making extra shots if your placement is off on the first one.

    The worst part about a lot of hunters I've seen using bolt actions on TV hunting shows is that the PHs have to tell so many of the "professionals" to work the action. They are so overconfidant in their abilities, or lacking the knowledge to follow through with the hunt, that they don't prepare for a shot that was slightly off. When it does happen, the animal suffers before going down or gets away wounded.

    It's a matter of the thought process behind the gun with certain actions that I believe to the real issue, and not the type of action itself being the real problem.

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    I first saw this linked to a post in another forum and initially wasn't impressed. However, for a dedicated .357 Magnum rifle user who wanted to wring the best ballistics and most accuracy out of his handloads, this would be just the ticket for experimental work. Endless handloading tinkering fun could be had with this set-up along with much entertaining plinking. It'd do well as a go-everywhere rifle for typical vermin encountered in ranch work around here (hogs, coyotes, feral dogs, deer when in season). It'd be a good rifle for use with handloads featuring really heavy .357 bullets up to 200 grains in weight and bullets with odd shapes. The bolt action has flexibilities that couldn't be matched in the lever-action .357 Magnum rifles on the market.



    I have an old Winchester Model 1907 .351 semi-automatic rifle which can propel a 180 grain .351 diameter bullet to near 1900 fps. It thumps deer good and proper out to 100 yards or so. I'm not up on my .357 Magnum ballistics when fired from rifle barrels but surely this range of performance could be easily and safely duplicated from the bolt action. With proper bullet weights, some experimentation could yield loads that approach the .35 Remington and there's nothing wrong with that.

    A bolt action .357 Magnum could be a sturdy way to enhance the dedicated .357 Magnum revolver shooter's possibilities.
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    glockman--shorter shots.....

    key here is hunting with it, not as a range toy.

    at my 'main' club perhaps 10% of the member play weekly and we see each other 3-4 times a month; 70% come twice a year to sight in their equipment
    and the balance joined cause it is fashionable. heck, the zip code is 06001. have to keep reminding myself that perception around here trumps reality.

    minimizing the time between the trigger squeeze and the boom, the faster lock time, helps accuracy for one reason cause there is less time for movement of the gun
    during the firing sequence. yes, advantage goes to the bolt.
    but as we are in the 60 yard (+/- 20) range needing to hit a 3" kill area its a difference that hardly is.
    get further away and need a scope than the manor of bbl construction along with lock time makes for accuracy. and price.

    as an aside for hunting, though rather long in the bbl:
    my 6.5 x 55 is dead nuts out to its zero ( 300 meters). past that i can't do the M96--1916 justice what for my old eyes don't see that far now a days.
    and the Swedes the Swiss (K-31 7.5 x 55 which happens to be our American .308) made some fine rifles a hundred years ago.
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    Now if I can find a good 3x fixed power scope, it will be a match made in heaven. The wife will have her own gun this year for deer season.
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    Why can't we get these handy rifles in semi-automatic?

    I don't know why Ruger discontinued their .44 mag semi-auto carbine, but a 10 round .357 mag semi would be the bomb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zacii View Post
    Why can't we get these handy rifles in semi-automatic?

    I don't know why Ruger discontinued their .44 mag semi-auto carbine, but a 10 round .357 mag semi would be the bomb.
    +1

    Now you are talking! A .357 "deerfield carbine" to complement my .357 revolver would be a great, handy woods combo for whitetails, camping or backpacking! But a Marlin 1894c is almost as good... (plus, lever-guns are sharp looking) A detachable mag .357 semi-auto carbine would be good, multi-purpose firearm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by claude clay View Post
    ...the Swiss (K-31 7.5 x 55 which happens to be our American .308)...
    HUH??? Sure hope you're not trying to interchange .308's and 7.5x55 Swiss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilowatt3 View Post
    HUH??? Sure hope you're not trying to interchange .308's and 7.5x55 Swiss!
    i re-load all 3 but as to 308 and 7.5 x 55; for example--like the way 38's use to be .380 but as time goes by, changes in case
    and cartrage construction happen yet the old name remains. the 38 S&W ( a hundred odd years ago) was a rebated bullet and thus its case was the same width
    as the part of the bullet that engaged the bbls lands--.380
    later when they made the 38 special, they kept the '38' part but no longer rebated the bullet base ( that part that inserts into the brass)
    so, the bullet was thinned to .357 ( or 9mm at .356 or todays 380 at .355) and the bbl was narrowed to match it.

    the European 7.5 happens to be the American 308. sierra 308 HPBT (boat tail) match king 168 gr fit both. life is good

    but perhaps you thought i was interchanging the entire cartrage, the assembled live round-- no, just the bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zacii View Post
    Why can't we get these handy rifles in semi-automatic?

    I don't know why Ruger discontinued their .44 mag semi-auto carbine, but a 10 round .357 mag semi would be the bomb.
    I agree completely--actually, a semi-auto .357 would also be one heck of a home defense rifle, as well...

    On that note, a few years ago a local shop had a M-1 carbine that had been converted to .357 mag; at the time, .30 carbine was not MN legal for hunting deer, but .357 was. It was cheap, and I considered buying it...but didn't (bought something else that day, as I recall). If it functioned reliably, I bet that would've been a nice, handy little rifle as well.
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    My Henry Big Boy 20" in .357 is very accurate and holds 10 rounds.

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