What's your choice for a SHTF AR optic?
What's your choice for a SHTF AR optic?
That's a hard one. All of my guns have irons. My main optics are Aimpoints (two T1's and an H1) though I have an ACOG 4x32 that I use often as well (also have 4-16 and 5-25 variable optics). Even though I voted for a red dot, if I only had one, I'd have to say an ACOG 4x32 (or a NF or S&B 1-4 or 1-8, but I don't have one anymore). The reason for the ACOG is that I have irons and run just irons regularly, so I'd rather have one magnified and irons that two that aren't magnified.
The above interpretation of SHTF is a long term situation. If SHTF meant more of short term, either having to get out of town for a natural disaster or being stuck like a Katrina type event, then I'd stick with my Aimpoint T1 as pretty much any imaginable engagement would be close. I regularly get out to 200 or 300 and once in a while get out past that. At 100 yards I can keep as tight of groups as the rifle allows with a red dot.
I voted irons but the real answer here is 2 rifles. One lightweight with irons and one set up as a dmr with a nikon bdc
My choice is what I have on my AR. EOTech (Bushnell) holosight with a flip-to side 4x magnifier and BUIS's. The flip-to-side magnifier is worth every penny, IMO. Very useful for mid-range stuff, and pops out of the way if you don't need it OR need to use the irons.
Off Topic: I really want to try one of those Magpul AFG, but I love my Grippod too much to give it up. Reason enough to buy another AR :yup:
I would say that the best all around for prolonged SHTF is the ACOG.
It has enough magnification to be useful, but not so much that is is un-usable for CQB (in fact it is pretty awesome for it). Eventually the half life of the tritium will catch up with it and lose its illumination, but that is years, which makes even the 50,000 hour battery life of the Aimpoint look rather weak. And it doesn't have any electrical systems to fail.
True it doesn't really do magnified precision as well as a traditional scope, and no magnification is probably better if it is a dedicated under 100 meter gun. But it can do both to an acceptable level for the pro's (Marine Corps infantry). So it gets my vote.
Acogs are nice,Either that or an eotech with BUIS
For a true SHTF ordeal I voted for my irons. That said, I run a T1 knock off on mine.
I'm surprised by the number of people voting for irons. I figured red dots would be the run away winner.
I was very satisfied with the performance of my ACOG during two deployments. That little bit of magnification really helps with target identification at range, and can also be used to just scope things out. I do prefer irons for static style (think know range qualifications) shooting, but for a combat/SHTF scenario, I would go with an ACOG, then a red dot (BUIS is a must for either), then just plain irons.
The Acog is nice but overall if it has to do multi role duty I want Illuminated reticl and adjustable magnification. Up close and out far.
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There is no replacement for reliable iron sights. Properly sighted at 50 yards you can hit a human sized target + - 2" out to 200 yards and - 9" @ 300 yards. I never really liked red dots. The reason being is if you are attached to a military or LE unit, you have a supply chain. So if something goes wrong with the unit it can be replaced and batteries are plentiful. In that situation, yes go red dot. Seeing you specifically mention the mythical SHTF, I say keep it simple. No batteries, no electronics. Simple and easy iron sights. Easy to maintain, easy to keep zero. Low failure rate and reliable without having to use a non renewable power source.
I agree that irons should be on the weapon, but in my experience, that little bit of magnification for far out shots, and the quick acquisition using the Bindon Aiming concept for close in work, make the ACOG a jack of all trades type sight.