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    I am not sure if you have a comprehension issue due to the thin air way up there in Wash st or what, but, I did not reccomend anything. The question was can it be done, and my answer was an empathitic yes it can be done, but requires practice. Would it be my first choice is another question that was not posed.

    The man is asking "can" it be done. The answer for everyone may be different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C hawk Glock View Post
    So you are really going to recommend a 30-30 at 500 yards in a defensive situation? Is that what you call Kentucky Windage?
    Read the thread. I never said .30-30 was the ideal cartridge for 500 yard shots. I said the probability of needing to take such a shot is very low, and I use the .30-30 because I like its ability to penetrate light cover at the more typical shorter range that defines civilian self defense. Besides, can you even justify "self defense" at a range of 500 yards? That's another topic entirely...

    BUT - if you had a .30-30 in hand and needed to take that longer range shot, was it possible to do so?

    The answer seems to be yes, assuming the shooter knows what he is doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    It ain rocket surgery.
    What is "rocket surgery?"



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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I am not sure if you have a comprehension issue due to the thin air way up there in Wash st or what, but, I did not reccomend anything. The question was can it be done, and my answer was an empathitic yes it can be done, but requires practice. Would it be my first choice is another question that was not posed.

    The man is asking "can" it be done. The answer for everyone may be different.
    Now, just who the hell is Bob Swaggert? Never heard of him.
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    There is brain surgery and there is rocket science.

    Rocket surgery is just a combination of both.

    Its a saying that we use a lot at the Nuclear Plant when minor problems become major due to management involvement.
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    I just looked this up in the Hornady 4th Edition of Tables and Charts.

    A 30 cal 150 weight bullet with a 2100 fps velocity, sighted in for 100 yards will drop 40 inches at 300 yards. Now of course here on the inet I can't prove I can do it, but the ballistic trajectory published here clearly supports my experience and reccomendation of a 1 1/2 target holdover for 500 yards.

    If that load is sighted poa/ poi at 200 yards, it is only down 24 inches at 300. My guess would be an aim or holdover of only twice the target size.
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    Is that what you call Kentucky Windage?
    Actually...its called Kentucky windage and Tennessee elevation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I just looked this up in the Hornady 4th Edition of Tables and Charts.

    A 30 cal 150 weight bullet with a 2100 fps velocity, sighted in for 100 yards will drop 40 inches at 300 yards. Now of course here on the inet I can't prove I can do it, but the ballistic trajectory published here clearly supports my experience and reccomendation of a 1 1/2 target holdover for 500 yards.

    If that load is sighted poa/ poi at 200 yards, it is only down 24 inches at 300. My guess would be an aim or holdover of only twice the target size.
    Remember it's a brush gun would you really have it sighted in at 200 yards from the get go?
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    Yeah, and besides ky windage and tenn elevation, another well kept shooting secret is how you hold your mouth, lol. All very important techniques passed down and commonly still in use by the modern day hillbilly.
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    Be nice to each other Gentlemen...its late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C hawk Glock View Post
    Remember it's a brush gun would you really have it sighted in at 200 yards from the get go? Especially if you are talking the rare occasion like 10thmtm would be talking about?
    Well now, if we refer back to the tables, that bullet traveling 2100 fps, and sighted in at 200 yards is only three inches high at 50 yards, 5.3 inches high at 100 yds, and 4.5 inches high at 150 yards.

    If we called pie plate accuracy adequate for deer hunting, then this is well within those limits and beyond to about 275 yards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Well now, if we refer back to the tables, that bullet traveling 2100 fps, and sighted in at 200 yards is only three inches high at 50 yards, 5.3 inches high at 100 yds, and 4.5 inches high at 150 yards.

    If we called pie plate accuracy adequate for deer hunting, then this is well within those limits and beyond to about 275 yards.
    Let's just say that a bullet that drops over 10 1/2 feet at 500 yards is beyond most folks ability in a defensive situation.

    Nice little chart at the bottom with some good data
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    But, it will penetrate most 'vests ' used by LEO's. So, don't under-estimate what it will do either. It can do a alot of damage.

    I think it's overkill and over penetration for self-defense. If someone is NOT wearing a vest, it is going to keep on going for quite a distance and thru a lot of things before it comes to a stop. I don't think you want that in self-defense.

    It will penetrate the thicker skull of black bears, if you are defending yourself against them.
    It will drop any larger animal within range.

    I can drop a deer with a lever action .357 @ 200 yrds, never tried it with a 30-30, but I'm betting it would do it with no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C hawk Glock View Post
    Let's just say that a bullet that drops over 10 1/2 feet at 500 yards is beyond most folks ability in a defensive situation.

    Nice little chart at the bottom with some good data
    Rifles / 30-30 Winchester
    Thanks for the chart - very similar to other data I saw.

    My choices are a .223 (drop of about 5 feet at 500 yards) or a .30-30 (drop of about 10 feet at same). In either case, you'd need a good deal of "Tennessee elevation" to hit a man sized target. The .30-30 carries more energy.

    What I really need to do is work on my range estimation skills. That, and I probably need to make a "range card" for my area with known distances on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    There is brain surgery and there is rocket science.

    Rocket surgery is just a combination of both.

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    I don't know whether to be comforted...or terrified.
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