I have a Savage bolt action in .308 I actually just got home front shooting it. Last time I was out, it was shooting HORRIBLE. I was blaming myself, but had second thoughts about the gun. I was using CHEAP ammo in it. I decided to try good match grade ammo.... Me being a very average rifle shooter (or shooter in general), I made a nice 2" group at 100 yards. It can do better with somebody else shooting I"m sure.
As far a semi-auto .308 I want an M1-A. I've never shot one, and I had planned on getting some sort of AR-10 variant as a semi-auto .308, but I've really been diggin' the M1-A lately. I can't wait until I can afford it! I was thinking about getting an M1 Garand, and mainly just because it shoots .30-06, but I can't get over the M1-A's capacity/box magazine. Plus, it looks better. The only cool think the M1 has over the M1-A, is I think it's kinda cool how it ejects the clip and you hear that infamous sound.
Remigton 600 is a good all round rifle for a bolt action.
Cetme is a decent autoloader. If you dont mind spending the cash... The M1A is IMO the top of the food chain.
Not trying to get off topic or anything like that but I remember growing up believing that Savages are real cheap guns and it seemed like some people snarled their noses up at them. This isn't the only place, however, where I have heard a lot of good things said about Savage rifles. Nutnfancy has given them very good reviews and when he did a booth review for them, they were talking about the confidence that they have in the accuracy of their guns. They talked like that their guns are about as accurate as any gun on the market and they can prove this from how their guns fare in competitions, etc.
Has Savage upped their game recently or did they just have a poor reputation that wasn't warranted?
You cannot beat Thompson Center's .308 bolt action for value, especially if you get with weathershield...It's gaurenteed MOA, I found it to have a much smoother bolt than the Savage and it's CRAZY accurate out of the box...toss a decent optic on it and you'll be good to go for MANY, MANY years!
That's so the bad guys know you're out of ammo and need to reload. :blink:
Originally Posted by RKM
Best *value*? Used CETME. $350-450, YMMV:)
like the remington family of autoloaders...30-06 or 308.. a 7400 can be had online used at 450-550 with mid grade scope...10 round clips available...4 rd standard..light/ accurite for the first couple or 4 ..then things heat up to a "mad minute" pie plate 8" at 200yr...beauty is it is not an assault wep...sporty...ballistic advantage with class....just sayn
Actually, I'm going to suggest one of the Remington pump rifles (760/7600iirc?).
The one's I've shot have been fairly accurate (until the barrel heated up, that is...) and I do believe that you can get higher--like, ten round--cpacity magazines for them. And they are also usually rather cheap.
I've never heard anything negative about Savage bolt action rifles.
In fact, I've heard that they're among the best for out of the box accuracy.
OP - Define "long range defense?" How far can you see in your area? If the BG is a long way off, can you legally justify self defense? Heck, if he is a long way off, how do you even know he is a bad guy?
Just some things to consider.
I did a Google maps aerial view look up of my address, and saw that the farthest I can see is 150 yards. I have a 5.56 Mini 14, but did want something in a .30 cal rifle, for launching heavier bullets for better barrier penetration - light/medium vegetation and cars. The best value, to me, was a .30-30 lever gun...gun, scope, and sling for less than $500 brand new. I added an inexpensive elastic butt cuff for another 10 rounds on the gun, and done.
No, it's not a .308, but it will do what needs to be done at any realistic range that I can see and justify self defense.
Plus, it's not an eeeevil assault rifle - which can matter in some cases.
So let me buck the bolt rifle trend and recommend a Saiga .308 as they are a great price and are very reliable. I like the standard barrel but they also have a long barrel configuration. I think I may pick one up myself.
Will have to disagree on that.
Originally Posted by C hawk Glock
I had one, and it was a dog (actually, that's an insult to dogs :tongue:). Very inaccurate, and unreliable - had trigger reset and stove pipe jam issues. Yes, you read that right - an AK-pattern rifle that was unreliable.
Maybe they're better now, or maybe mine was a lemon. In any case, I'm passing on anything Saiga.
Oh, did I mention I found dead bugs in the grease it came with? Ugh. :blink:
That goes against everything I have experienced in the last 10 years with Saiga firearms. IZHMASH has been building rifles forever, they are not Tauras and are going to get better once they learn. LOL..... Mikhail Kalashnikov is said to still work at the factory for cry eye.
Originally Posted by 10thmtn
This rifle is not a tac driver, but it's decent low cost and will sling lead reliably all day long. Sorry for your bad luck, it's like buying a Honda Civic and not getting a reliable one.
it will kill anything a 308 will and will out range 300win mag with the recoil of a 243...
cant get better then that...
Except the ammo can be a bit hard to find, and is rather expensive when you do find it.
Originally Posted by Ring
And there's no cheap surplus .260 ammo out there, unlike .308/7.62x51.
So...it can kinda get better than that.
(fwiw, I do think .260 is a good round--I love 6.5mm rounds--but not for what the OP is looking for)