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Home defense shotgun ammo capacity

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    Question - Does anyone know of an inside-the-home defensive situation where more than 1 or 2 shotgun shells were fired by the defender? Has a defender ever run their repeating shotgun dry defending their home?

    I ask this because I know most are wont to have extended mag tubes on their defensive shotguns (which I feel adversely affects the "swingability" of the shotgun), while others swear you "need" a Saiga with a detachable high-cap box mag to defend your castle.

    My shotgun has a standard 4-shell mag tube, and while I keep an extra 6 shells on the butt (keeps the weight close to me so the gun is faster in the swing vs the extra shells being on the receiver), I would feel quite comfortable with a double barrel. To my mind, the extra ammo is there for reloading the gun after things are over, just in case they are not.

    Once the shotgun starts barking, I don't think too many thugs are going to stick around and try to take you on.

    And while I certainly understand the idea of having too much ammo is better than not enough, I'm just trying to get a realistic picture of what "enough" shotgun ammo really is. My gut tells me it isn't much. And too much ammo in/on the gun, which makes the gun heavier and thus slower in action, might actually be a detriment.

    So...anyone? anyone?
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    I don't specifically recall anyone emptying a shotgun in home defense. I do recall one man defending his gun shop adjacent to his home. As I recall he used multiple weapons, some FA, and many rounds of ammo, against a multi man crew.

    Generally, I doubt it would be an issue. But, if you were hit by a crew of three or more, on a home invasion, who thought you had some specific valuables, they might choose to fight rather than run.
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    I sure haven't, and try to keep pretty plugged into that kind of news. Maybe back in the days of Indian raids it was an issue...

    I think you have the right approach, certainly coincident with mine. My 870 is 3+1 capacity with a few more on a butt cuff plus loose rounds ready to go on the closet shelf over the gun. If I need to retreat to the bedroom, the AR and a lot of loaded mags are there as well.

    I think if I ran a cash business in my home or led a lifestyle that attracted unwanted attention I might reconsider, but I'm a middle-aged white guy with a 19 year-old Volvo wagon parked in the driveway in a neighborhood of modest starter-type homes. The guy down the street with the jacked-up 4WD F350 and a 350Z parked out front is probably at greater risk.
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    I don't know what the average expenditure is but I feel that if I have used my 5 shots of capacity and still have a problem... I HAVE A REAL BAD PROBLEM!

    My Mossberg's have a capacity of five - 3 or 2 3/4 inch shells. I keep some 2 inch shells linked below loaded to hopefully reduce multiple wall penetration. I have not actually tested this. It also significantly reduces felt recoil. At 2 inches I can also load seven of them in the tube instead of the normal five.

    I actually now keep four - 2.75 inch shells and two - 2 inch shells at the lead for a total tube capacity of six. If the first two 2 inchers don't convince visitors to leave, I'll want more punch. I also keep six more 2 3/4 inchers in carriers on the butt.
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    I haven't heard of any home defense situations where a shotgun has been run dry, however, the shotgun in my cruiser has 7+1 capacity and I'd rather have them all than only my 4+1 (long barrel hunting type) at home.
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    Haven't heard anything about that specificly. My feelings on the matter is a double-barrel will take care of defending the home as well as that 8+1 'tacti-cool monstrosity' that ALL the SWAT/SRT teams have in the magizine advertisments.

    This is just me, but as far as shottys (specificaly for HD) go, K.I.S.S. is the way to go.
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    10thmtn I do almost exactly the same with my HD shotgun. It holds 5 in the tube and I keep 6 on the butt stock, which I feel is plenty. I also attached a surefire G2 with an LED head and a pressure switch. My brother uses my Dad's double barrel coach gun.
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    Nope, I don't know of any situations that required more than a couple shotgun shells for HD. But that being said, in my current set up, my shotgun is a static position weapon, where it is just going to be pointed at the door, of a room I am staying in, behind cover. If I run a 930 SPX dry from that position, it will probably be the zombie apocalypse.

    I do know that I am strong enough that a couple extra rounds doesn't add enough weight to make it un-usable to me. The extra weight also helps with recoil. Now, if the mag tube is extending past your barrel, there is an issue. On the other hand, there was a time period where I was using a coachgun as my HD shotgun. But I would rather have the rounds on hand without a reload.

    But, what does it matter to you if I want to have 8 rounds of buckshot on hand? If I feel I need it, then I do. Just like some people see no reason to carry a spare mag for their semi-auto.
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    Nope, does not "bother" me at all. Folks can do whatever they want.

    My question has more to do with what, in actuality, is a "good" home defense shotgun? Do you really need a "tactical" shotgun, if you already have a "sporting" shotgun, when the main difference is the length of the mag tube? Do you really need much more than a double-barrel, which has an advantage in terms of reduced overall length? (It also breaks down nice and small, and makes an ideal covert traveling companion)

    I guess I'm trying to determine "need" from "want." We might "want" 8 shells, but do we really "need" that many? How many do we need, really?

    There's lots of statistics on the number of rounds fired in a handgun fight - just wondering what the average is for shotguns. Of course, it is also nice to know the spread - averages mean little if you get caught in an above-average situation. As a side note, the "Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power" study shows the average number of rifle/shotgun rounds fired until incapacitation at less than 1.5. Would like to see some other sources and studies.
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    10thmtn, I used my shotgun, a Mossberg Persuder to dust a couple of guys I caught in my home while stationed in NC. I fired 3 shots, but really only needed 2. I hit the guy in the house once in the chest, and once in the arse as he scrambled on all fours out the back door. I chased him, but he was gone when I got to the door. I hit his partner in the arse to help him over the fence he was climbing in my back yard as he was trying to get away.
    Lucky for them, I had 5 shells in the mag, the first 3 were #8 fired from an open bore.
    The last 2 were 00Buck.

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    With 4 rounds of 00 buckshot, you've got 36 .357 caliber projectiles on tap.

    That's a lot of lead that can be launched rapidly.

    I keep my 870 with a mag full of #1 buck; 4 rounds in the tube.

    I don't like extended tubes and other tacticool stuff.
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    I'm thinking I'd really like one of these.





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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    10thmtn, I used my shotgun, a Mossberg Persuder to dust a couple of guys I caught in my home while stationed in NC. I fired 3 shots, but really only needed 2. I hit the guy in the house once in the chest, and once in the arse as he scrambled on all fours out the back door. I chased him, but he was gone when I got to the door. I hit his partner in the arse to help him over the fence he was climbing in my back yard as he was trying to get away.
    Lucky for them, I had 5 shells in the mag, the first 3 were #8 fired from an open bore.
    The last 2 were 00Buck.

    When the shotty speaks, people listen, but they don't stand around to hear the ending.
    So - you were feeling charitable? My mag tube is loaded only with #1 buckshot. I don't believe in giving warnings to thugs who are already inside my home. If the sound of the slide being racked doesn't get the point across - they ain't getting birdshot.

    Thanks for sharing!
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    My M500 has a 5 round mag. I'm plenty happy. I won't be clearing my house with my shotgun. Hopfully I'll never have to clear my house, but if I'm somehow forced into a situation where I need to move room to room, my USP is coming with me.

    But yeah, I don't feel the need for more than a 5 round mag. I have 5 slugs on the stock and 15 more rounds of 00 and 000 buckshot on the sling. If I have to get into reloading my shotgun... it's probably going to be a "die trying" situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    So - you were feeling charitable? My mag tube is loaded only with #1 buckshot. I don't believe in giving warnings to thugs who are already inside my home. If the sound of the slide being racked doesn't get the point across - they ain't getting birdshot.

    Thanks for sharing!
    I was young and dumber. I was also in the wrong, and glad I didnt kill them. It took the good will of the local Magistrate, and some creative work by a good looking female JAG officer, plus a letter from my Bn CO promising I would be a good boy to get me out of that one.
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