What is your actual budget for this gun.
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What is your actual budget for this gun.
I havenít heard any of the journalists who volunteered to be waterboarded asking to have their fingernails wrenched out with pliers, or electrodes attached to their genitals.
After shooting a friends M&P15 sport I went down an ordered one. Friends rifle had a 2.5 to 10 power scope on it and sub 1" 100 yard groups were very doable even with the trigger it has with some federal match ammo. Price for mine is 595 dollars when it comes in at our local general store/giun shop. Read the latest reviews also. For a basic rifle it does have some features that costlier guns don't have. And the 1-8 progressive twist R5 barrel is a bonus . I does seem to shoot bullet weight from 52gr to 74gr well.
Budget is around $1000. I was in a Wal-Mart the other night and they had a Bushmaster for $899, but nobody has mentioned them yet. My intended use would be targets with the family (young but getting close to that age), possible home defense (but honestly, if I had to defend against less than 20 ppl [Armageddon] I would probably pull the M1 Garand out first), and because they are cool and alot of neat accessories are avaliable that I never had in the service that I want to know more about. I have a Colt SP-1 that is my collector's/this is what I used gun, but I would like something that the family can use. I mentioned that I'm not interested in options yet because I believe in iron sights first, and I want a chance to see some others on the range and find out what would work for us, not just buying stuff all willy nilly.
In 2009, I bought a Rock River Arms LAR-15 "Entry Tactical" semiautomatic M-4 style rifle chambered in 5.56/.223 for $880. To this day, I still have it and I have already fired over 4,000 rds. without a single hiccup or malfunction. I use only GI issued mags too and my usual loads are either PMC or American Eagle FMJs in 5.56mm although I have also fired the same brands in .223 Remington. And whatever AR brand you choose, always buy extra parts too (bolts/gas rings/bolt carrier/extractors/firing pins/etc.)
I went with the RRA lower with the Timney match trigger set, and the BCM upper that has a 1-9 twist, chrome lined barrel and bore, with the Vikings Tactical handguard. Put UTG (I know, cheap, but they work just fine) flip up rear and front sights, and it's pretty accurate at 100 yards. Got the Tapco sling for it, not in the picture. I purchased the Brownells .22lr conversion kit for it, and am having some FTF, Stovepiping going on, I think it's just not broke in yet, and that maybe I didn't lube it well enough, but when it works, shooting sub-sonic .22lr, you hear the bolt move, and the round slap the target, and that's it. When I am in the market for another AR, I will probably just buy a whole gun from BCM, they are fantastic. Please forgive the crappy resolution pic, 1st generation Droid smartphone pic is all I can muster. ar-15.jpg
MOE Lower build kit $125
BCM BFH 16" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group $489.00
Magpul MOE MID Length Handguard $35
Daniel Defense A1.5 Fixed Rear Sight $65
lower receiver $150 or less
tools about 50 bucks
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= $914 + shipping = Kick butt sub 1000 ar-15 ;)
DPMS Sportical. Great price. About $600. Dependable. Easily upgradeable. I know for a fact it will destroy coyotes at 200 yards.
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I want to purchase an AR and have narrowed my search down to the S&W M&P 15 sport and the Rock River LAR-15 CAR A4. I'm able to purchase these from a dealer who only sells to LEO and Military. The S&W is $300 cheaper than the RR. I have no idea why the price difference. Is the RR worth the additional $300? Any insight is appreciated.
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Research the chart, for your budget +/- $100. Daniel Defense, Bravo Company and Colt. The PSA quality seems good but their potential customer service issues would keep me from buying until maybe they mature into their business.
Just get the Colt and be done with it. You can't go wrong there.
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I chose Del-ton ( M4 Rifle Kits, AR 15 Kits, Gun Kits | Del Ton Rifles from Del-Ton, Inc. ) While they may not be top of the line best available kit out there they are, in my opinion, a great value. I have had no problems with mine nor have I heard of any problems with anyone's I know. Worth a look if your looking for a reliable value that you can build yourself.
I would wait and get the Colt even if it takes a while to save the extra $.
A Bushmaster for $899, or a Colt http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...ction&key=6920 for $990.
Seems like a no-brainer.
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I'd definitely go with the Colt. I have no use right now for another 14.5" or 16" standard rifle, but am thinking of picking one up anyway since they're such a good rifle at a great price right now.
Remember, the Bushmaster locally for $900 will run you around $960 or so with tax while there won't be any tax if you order the Colt online. There will be an ffl fee though, but that varies from $10 to $50... $40 - $50 if you are unfortunate enough to live in Corpus Christi. I get them for $30, which is still ridiculous. Anyway, you get the idea. The difference is a little less than the $83 or so due to tax. The Colt is definitely worth $50 more considering people used to buy them for up to $1,400 not long ago.
By the way, I appreciate your honesty with the intended use of your rifle, OP. I'm sure a Bushmaster would be fine for your needs, but it's still (now more so than before) considered a commercial grade weapon compared to Colt's 6920 which is a professional grade weapon. Though they appear very similar, the Colt will have better quality control and higher quality components. To some, it might not matter, but personally I've had bad experiences with my Bushmasters years ago.
I'm mentioned it before, but I sheared a bolt lug off around 1,000 rounds in the first month I owned it. When talking to customer service and before telling them the amount of time I had owned it, they told me I must have exceeded the recommended firing schedule and there was nothing they could do for me. That's enough for me to never buy another. Luckily I learned a lot more after that and focused on spending my money a little more wisely. Funny thing was that I owned a Colt at the time but didn't really understand the difference. This was maybe 7 years ago.
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Cant argue with the logic above.
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