Sixto's patrol rifle update

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    Dang! I thought I had quenched my desire for the AR 15 when I built my DM rifle. Now I'm going to have to build a SBR. Jon my wife is going to put you on her hit list.
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    Huh, my only P-mags are black, sans window, I have never heard that before about the strength of materials issues.

    I have no problem with GI mags, and have a boatload of them too. They do sit a bit slimmer in chest rigs and the like. Before my first deployment though, I decided to spend the dough to get my own bunch of P-mags to take with me. It wasn't uncommon to get a faulty GI mag from the armory that someone had bubba'd up, or smacked on a rock in training and dented the side in so it would no longer work. Since I was going in harms way, I wanted to increase the reliability factor, and my p-mags didn't fail me once that I remember, through all the training and two deployments.

    The other reason is I have found they are a lot easier to keep hold of. Be it in mud, ran, sand, dirt, gloved hands or whatever. Sometimes the GI mags would get a little slick. But I think P-mags are a great deal, especially compared with some of the high end wonder magazines out there.

    I also think 20 round mags for AR's are under-rated, but that is a topic for another time.
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    I'd definitely take almost ANY personally purchased mag over issued mags... Don't get me wrong, I really like my pmags, I just basically run them all and keep what works. For some reason though lately I'm just drawn to GI mags, and as Dunn as it is, I like when they wear and the gold color shows through. I have a couple Colt/Okay mags that are almost all that gold color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonconsiglio View Post
    I'd definitely take almost ANY personally purchased mag over issued mags... Don't get me wrong, I really like my pmags, I just basically run them all and keep what works. For some reason though lately I'm just drawn to GI mags, and as Dunn as it is, I like when they wear and the gold color shows through. I have a couple Colt/Okay mags that are almost all that gold color.
    Thats the photographer in you talking. The gold does look pretty on a worn mag, I'll give you that.

    The main thing about GI mags, is really, by the time you buy them, and upgrade the follower, they aren't all that much less expensive than P-mags.

    Interestingly, before my second deployment, my unit took some of their cash, and bought every grunt P-mags, and issued those out, as opposed to GI mags.

    I have heard, but never seen, of issues with running a M-249 off P-mags. But, SAWs have trouble running off any mag generally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeye .45 View Post

    The main thing about GI mags, is really, by the time you buy them, and upgrade the follower, they aren't all that much less expensive than P-mags.
    I'm buying Pmags for right around 10-11 bucks a piece, depending on quantity. I can't touch a GI mags for that. ( on a consistent basis anyway)
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    I get my GI mags with Magpul followers for $12 and NHMTG with the green followers for $10. Haven't gotten any of the new brown followers though to try. I don't like how they start with the round on the opposite side though.

    Adding ranger plates to the GI mags also adds cost. I like them both. There's a new Tango Down mag out that's supposed to be good as well, but I haven't tried those out yet. Regardless of how or where I run my mags, I don't double them, so the wide base of the pmags isn't a big deal.

    Im not sure what I'm paying for pmags. I'm going to start buying the ones without the window when I buy more and will also stick to just black. I can always paint them and will when I get around to painting my rifles. Right now most of mine have windows, which is fine, I just don't really ever use the windows, even when doing a tac reload then feeding that first mag again, for example.
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    I got nothing more to add other than I hope the UPS man shows up today. I dont think he will though. I brought the rifle home, I have it torn down on the kitchen table. I guess I'll lube everything up and maybe paint or color fill for the heck of it- not much going on this afternoon.

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    Dang it... I just check my mailbox, the Vtac was in there... but they sent me the wrong one. I now have the multi cam sling. I might as well keep it, I really don't care, but it does piss me off a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    I got nothing more to add other than I hope the UPS man shows up today. I dont think he will though. I brought the rifle home, I have it torn down on the kitchen table. I guess I'll lube everything up and maybe paint or color fill for the heck of it- not much going on this afternoon.

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    Dang it... I just check my mailbox, the Vtac was in there... but they sent me the wrong one. I now have the multi cam sling. I might as well keep it, I really don't care, but it does piss me off a little.
    What color did you want? I'll trade you a standard green Blue Force Gear/Vickers VCAS for it that has two QD sockets... I also have an ACU standard VCAS and a black padded, but that one is cut and only works attached at the stock and just ahead of the barrel nut, otherwise it's too tight. I've been meaning to pick up a multicam VCAS, but I'd like to Give the VTAC another try. Just sayin'...
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    Let me look at the Vickers real quick, I just might take you up on it. I have the padded multi cam right now- I was looking for the OD or black.

    Edit; are the QD's sewed in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Let me look at the Vickers real quick, I just might take you up on it. I have the padded multi cam right now- I was looking for the OD or black.

    Edit; are the QD's sewed in?
    No, they're not sewn in. I buy the standard models in case I want to attach it another way plus I have a gen 1 SOPMOD stock without the QD sockets. I just mention it because I'll include them with the sling. I have the OD standard, black padded which is cut to fit me and my attachment method, and the ACU standard. I have QD attachments with all of them.
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    All of them also have that additional piece with the quick detach. I take them off, but they show them on the website.

    The quick detach section would go on the rear of the sling and is a short section of material that would allow you to release the sling at your shoulder and not try to fool with the QD button on the socket.

    The Vickers slings get expensive. They are $50 for the standard and $60 for the padded without the QD attachments. Those separately add another $35 or so, but it's well worth it. The material is great and very sturdy.

    VCAS standard - http://www.blueforcegear.com/product...ng™.html

    VCAS Padded - http://www.blueforcegear.com/product...ded-Sling.html

    The way I have this one cut, it'll work from this position and with the attachment in the front for me. It might work at the barrel nut and the end plate (the longest configuration) with the quick detach snap. I'd have to email you a measurement to make sure it would work for you.

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    very cool sixto, sounds like a fun project, and then you get to use it at work

    we are not so lucky, its rock river or colt, we are not allowed to have vertical grip, and only last year got to add and Eotech xps 2
    can have 1 or 2 point slings, no laser, can have a light, issued 80 rounds (I purchased more of the same round for some spare mags)
    nothing specific about mags, but I have Pmag with windows and without, I did purchase a bunch of cmags 20 and 30 rounders when they were $6 and $8 respectively, have about 25 pmags, and 10 pmags with windows....more on the way

    interesting point about the eotech in the rain, i havent had that issue here...thanks to the stinking drought lol
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    Jon, I just sent you a couple of PM's, ignore the first, I jumped the gun a little. I need to research a little more.

    Zebra, yeah, I'm lucky I get to do pretty much what I want. But I am getting annoyed at the PRO- I buy everything gun related wholesale- I can't find one distrubutor that will sell them wholesale right now, which I believe is a direct violation of Aimpoint's contract. Its annoying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Jon, I just sent you a couple of PM's, ignore the first, I jumped the gun a little. I need to research a little more.

    Zebra, yeah, I'm lucky I get to do pretty much what I want. But I am getting annoyed at the PRO- I buy everything gun related wholesale- I can't find one distrubutor that will sell them wholesale right now, which I believe is a direct violation of Aimpoint's contract. Its annoying...
    No problem. I replied and cleared up a couple things as well...
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    Well, while I'm waiting for the brown man to show up with a box of happiness, lets talk lube.

    Really, AR lube. We all know they need it.
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