Get an AR chambered for .308
This is a discussion on best rifle for hunting deer AND zombies, help me out please within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Was originally looking at an AR15, but .223 isn't going to cut it for deer. I am hoping some of you with more experience can ...
Was originally looking at an AR15, but .223 isn't going to cut it for deer.
I am hoping some of you with more experience can educate me on the the thirtys.
30-06, 308, 30-30, 7.62, and any other you can think of.
My understanding of these is that each is specific chamber, that a .308 can't be used in say a 7.62 AR10, or vice versa?
Also, I am looking for 2 more constraints. I want the least expensive ammo, and least recoil as I have bad nerve in my arm.
I thought an AR10 might be the best, but it seems AR10s much more expensive than AR15s, or am I just not finding the right manufacturers.
But when I look at Savage or Remmington, too many calibers that I don't know the difference on. Appreciate any input. Thanks.
If you want one gun to do it all then you will get a gun that is "OK" at everything but not great at any one thing. While I think Suntzu's AR in .308 would be good, I also think it would be heavy and expensive. The .308/7.62X51 is a great round though (It's what I deer hunt with in a bolt action).
I suggest a Ruger Mini 30 in 7.62X39. It is lighter and less expensive than an AR10. They are plenty accurate out to 200yds. The 7.62X39 round is on par balistically with a 30-30 and the 30-30 has killed a bazzillion deer. Lastly you can get good hunting ammo for the 7.62X39 from companies like Remington or Federal and you can get cheap Russian made practice/zombie ammo by the case for fun or use in emergencies.
ETA: A quick check of GunBroker shows that the least expensive AR10s are starting at around $1300 on average.
A Mini 30 can be had for around $750 (or less!). That would leave allot of cash available for ammo, mags or an optic.
I like this one the best...
Ruger 5853 Mini-30 7.62x39 18.5" Stainless 20rd Bl : Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com
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That is my bug out gun (rifle). Wife has a .22 for a bug out.
Thanks for the input. Is a .308 the same round as a 7.62 x 39 or x51, are they actually interchangeable? If not, which is least expensive and most available. Also, my friends says to go with 30-06, they said it is the most available. (of course, they have 30-06 so not sure how much they know and why i posted this here).
It all depends on what type of conditions and where you are going to be hunting.
If you want an AR-15 looking rifle go with a AR-10.
This article should sum it up for you.
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.308 is same size as 7.62x51 NATO. However, based on OP, I would consider an AR15 in 6.8 SPC. It's lighter and has a lot less recoil than AR10 in .308 and 6.8 is an excellent deer or hog sized hunting cartridge. Although ammo is not as cheap as mil. surplus 7.62x51 or 7.62x39 stuff, it is about the same as other hunting ammo. Check out 68forums dot com for more info.
That would be my SCAR H, for me. I'm not recommending anyone run out and spend that much for a hunting rifle, but it's what I have and what i use for larger game.
If I was buying strictly for that role, I'd look at the LaRue PredatOBR in 7.62. Again, this is just MY CHOICE, not saying you need this by any means.
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I use an SKS, 7.62 x 39.
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"I want the least expensive ammo, and least recoil as I have bad nerve in my arm."
Best choice for these parameters would have to be the .243 Winchester in a full-sized bolt action rifle with a longer barrel.
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One thing to keep in mind for a "bug out" or SHTF rifle...you want a caliber that is very, very common.
If the "bug out / SHTF" lasts any length of time you would want a common caliber so you could find/buy/barter for more ammo.
Just a thought.
My mind runs to 5.56...7.62X39 or 30-30 for the most common, 30.06 and 308 wouldn't be too far behind.
I'm really inclined to agree with "Atctimmy" on the Mini 30.
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Looking at picking up an SKS though...
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OK the problem with these type of threads is that you get a lot of people chiming in with what they like. Folks naturally want to brag about what they have or what they think is cool. The problem is what they have/like may not be best for you. If I were buying this rifle I would probably go with an AR10 because I'm already set up with a ton of .308 ammo and I don't mind the recoil. I don't think that is the case with you.
I will try to address some of your questions individually.
The military refers to cartridges by the diameter of the projectile and the case length in millimeters. Examples...7.62X39 7.62X51 5.56X45 9X19
So, back to my original recommendation. A well made gun from a reputable American company for not TOO much money.
The Ruger Mini 30 in 7.62X39.
Lastly I'll say that this rifle may not be the best for everyone else but I think it would be very good for you with the circumstances you mentioned.
Last edited by atctimmy; March 8th, 2012 at 10:52 AM. Reason: typo
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