Less is more Accessories on your Fighting Rifle

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    This is the first time I've heard someone advocate NOT using a two point sling unless actually slinging your rifle. I can see how you'd transition in the middle of a fight to your handgun without just dropping the rifle. Dropping it is fine in some situations, but not others.

    Every trainer I know or have really even heard mention this suggests using a quality two point at all times, or occasionally a single point if that very specific need arises. I've never heard them advocate using it only to sling the rifle.

    On a side note, I can transition shoulders almost as easy with my VCAS slings as I could with my Gear Sector and MS2 single point slings...almost. I run it relatively loose unless I need it slung and tight. If I attach the rear portion to the end plate instead of the stock, it's even easier and very similar to a single point, though I don't care for the way it hangs.

    Edit - not saying there's a right or wrong way, just saying that I don't know anyone that recommends that way.
    Last edited by jonconsiglio; March 29th, 2012 at 03:56 PM.
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    I to agree less is more.

    I am still playing with mine to get it set up the way I want. I was in the middle of that when I got called back to the sandbox. When I left this is one of the versions that I was trying on my RD.



    I got several items from Jon and was in the process of switching out items when I had to go. Currently have the Surefire VFG, Redi mag, Holosight with KAC BUIS front and rear. I have Aimpoint T-1's, Leupold CQ/T, stubby VFG's and other Surefire lights to try out when I get home however my AK's run simple, Aimpoint T-1 or H-1, and a light mounted from the Ultimak rail or from a small section of rail mounted to the forend.

    As far as slings I have and use both single and two point slings, it all depends on what I am doing at the time as to which system I use. This is my RD 5.56 AK right after I got home with an Israeli Sling before mounting the Aimpoint and light.

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    Whatever rifle you choose, keep it simple! Learn how to shoot with the iron sites first, then add on.

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    ONE way of transitioning to pistol when your rifle wears a simple 2-point sling, especially if you do not wish to "wear" your rifle, or do not have time to kit up as such

    Long gun to pistol transition - Systema method
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    Looks too inefficient to me. why not just tuck it under your support arm?

    Clint Smith demonstrated the easiest way I have seen with a standard issue sling but you have to be wearing it to do it.

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    Transition to pistol

    about two seconds into this video, the rifle goes on the back, out comes the sidearm. Plain and simple.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qtky5-d2AM

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    Those are two nice builds... US Palm grip on the AK, right?

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    +1 on that!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gsolutions View Post
    about two seconds into this video, the rifle goes on the back, out comes the sidearm. Plain and simple.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qtky5-d2AM

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    Those are two nice builds... US Palm grip on the AK, right?

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    Well, now that makes a lot more sense. Thanks. One of these days I'm going to spend some time with only the AK. Rob_s from m4carbine spent a year with only the AK if I remember correctly. I like that idea.
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    That's a great transition method as well, but (if I'm seeing it right) it involves the use of the shooting hand. With the Systema method, you can reach for your sidearm simultaneously with the slinging of the rifle. It might be a case of 6 o'one, half-a-dozen o'the other, but it sometimes helps to experiment with different methods to see what works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    That's a great transition method as well, but (if I'm seeing it right) it involves the use of the shooting hand. With the Systema method, you can reach for your sidearm simultaneously with the slinging of the rifle. It might be a case of 6 o'one, half-a-dozen o'the other, but it sometimes helps to experiment with different methods to see what works for you.
    Agreed. Now, I'm used to having the sling around my body then just dropping it while transitioning to my handgun. I run those drills a few times a week for the past handful of years, so I'm fairly used to it by now. I just always assumed if and when I work to improve on my Kalashnikov skills, I'd run an adjustable two-point the same way as my ARs.

    In the shoot house and hand to hand, I've always appreciated having the rifle attached to my body. Then again, I've never even given thought to doing it any other way than with no sling at all.
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    Mine is almost bone stock, and I like it that way... in fact the only thing I changed was the grip to a Hogue. The scope I got for it ended up on my 10/22 because i like the iron sights so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonconsiglio View Post
    Well, now that makes a lot more sense. Thanks. One of these days I'm going to spend some time with only the AK. Rob_s from m4carbine spent a year with only the AK if I remember correctly. I like that idea.
    What I appreciate most about this technique is that it works the same with any long gun that I use - AK, AR, Stock Saiga, Shotgun or Combat Levergun. It goes hand in hand with positioning every weapon (leave for the levergun) the same way for reloads. Keep everything consistent....
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    I really enjoy having an ACOG and surefire flashlight on my army issued M4

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    Uli that is correct. I purchased all of Gabe's videos last year to watch over here. At that time was able to shoot a lot, now it is such a hassle and a security concern, Iraqis control the range, that I do not go as much.

    If I ever get back into the states for any length of time will make arrangements to take a class or two.
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    Cool

    I did the full accessory route and have now gone back to the KISS system.

    The older I get the more I seem to simplify the things around me.

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