reminder about squibs!
This is a discussion on reminder about squibs! within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Friday I went to a mens retreat that is put on by my church. We have some very good bible lessons and also bring along ...
April 23rd, 2012 01:43 PM
reminder about squibs!
Friday I went to a mens retreat that is put on by my church. We have some very good bible lessons and also bring along our guns for some fun shooting. I purchased an AK-47 a month ago and had not yet been able to sight it in at 100 meters. My fathers deer hunting property is only about 5 miles from the church retreat so I decided to go there and sight in the gun. The church retreat range is only about 50 yards max.
I got to the property, set up a backstop and proceeded to sight in the gun. It had been raining all morning and the ground was very wet and the weeds were quite tall. I didn't want to go prone and get all wet. There were a few logs at about 100 meters that I figured I could use for a gun rest for the 100 meter shots, but since the "recommended" procedure is to sight at 25 meters first I did that standing.
I had shot a few rounds through it already and had it halfway set at 25 meters. I fiddled with it for a bit and had it holding a decent group. I made my last adjustment I figured I would need before moving to 100 meters and was going to fire 3 more rounds to check. The first shot was 3/4" low and to the right. Which I figured was pretty good. I pulled the trigger for the second shot and all I got was a click. I looked at the gun, check and tried to pull the trigger again. No movement at all.
I pulled the bolt open and the shell ejected into the tall weeds. The inside of the gun was full of what I assumed at first was residue from the burned powder. As I was cleaning it out, I noticed that it was pellets of gun powder. This should have been a clue as to what happened. I cleaned out the gun and reloaded the magazine. As I was inserting it I thought, I wonder if that was a squib?
I removed the mag and looked, and sure enough the bullet was about an inch down the barrel! I took off the cleaning rod and put it down the muzzle and it stopped about 1/2 an inch from the end of the muzzle brake.
I was very lucky I didn't try firing another round!
That ended my shooting for the day. The next morning I decided to see if I could clear the barrel. I had no idea how much force it would take or what to use the push the bullet out. I tried seeing if anyone had a 1/4 rod or thread stock I could use, no luck. I decided to try the cleaning rod for the AK. Since I had not brought along the tool kit, (dumb I know) all I had was the cleaning rod. I field stripped the gun and wrapped the end of the rod with duct tape to protect the threads and the barrel. I removed the muzzle brake so I would get enough travel. I placed the gun muzzle down with the cleaning rod in the barrel and the end on the taligate of my truck and pushed down on the gun. I took only about 5-10 poulnds of force I would guess to push the bullet back out of the barrel.
I reassembled the gun and did a test fire, holding the gun down and away from my face. It fired OK. I then tried it several more times and it seemed to function fine. We shot about 75 more rounds thru it later that day with no more trouble.
I am hoping that this was all caused by a bad cartridge and nothing that is wrong with the gun. The ammo was either Tula or Wolf military classic. I had both in my ammo bag. I can check to see which it is because one lot is hollow point and the other is FMJ. I do know that the faulty round was FMJ because I have the round. I plan on making it into a good luck charm, since I was lucky I didn't try to run any more rounds thru without checking the barrel.
Lesson learned, if it goes click don't assume it was just out of ammo. Had I been loading more than 3 rounds into the mag at a time, and it had mis-fired on the last round in a mag I might not realized that something was wrong, unless I noticed the empty shell being ejected as I charged the gun after inserting a new mag. From now on I think I will always check the chamber at the end of a mag full of ammo, or any time I get a click instead of a bang.
I hope others can learn from my near disaster.
April 23rd, 2012 01:43 PM
April 23rd, 2012 01:56 PM
You are a lucky man Sir.
It is no fun firing into the back of another round. Kind of ruins your day, totally, and reminds you that you always need to wear eye protection.
April 23rd, 2012 02:01 PM
Ejecting an empty casing after a 'click' is always cause for investigation. Good catch.
What's even more difficult to protect against is a kaboom from an over-loaded factory round ('learned that one from experience too).
Anglico is absolutely correct about eye protection. I used to be lax, but I've got 'religion' on this now.
'Clinging to my guns and religion
April 23rd, 2012 02:15 PM
Good on you for taking precautions and not firing the next round. I started a thread a while back about my first squib that luckily I also took the time to fully determine if it had been a squib. I too have kept that bullet that got lodged as a safety reminder.
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April 23rd, 2012 02:28 PM
It sure would have ruined my day, not only was that a new gun, that I only had just bought, but I was out in the woods alone and could have been seriously injured. I would have had to find my way to my truck or the road with who knows what injuries. I was wearing ear and eye protection but I am thinkning it would have been a major kaboom. If the bolt carrier came flying back I know the carrier cover would not contain it and I don't think safety glasses would have stopped it either.
Originally Posted by ANGLICO
April 23rd, 2012 03:10 PM
Amen. Another Lesson Learned, the easy way this time :-)
Originally Posted by TedBeau
April 23rd, 2012 03:16 PM
Great catch, and I'm certainly glad you didn't get hurt!
This is one reason I like a defensive semi-auto to have a bolt-hold open. Without it, you start to assume a "click" means you are empty. If you did that, inserted a fresh mag, racked the bolt and didn't notice the ejected brass from the squib...
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April 23rd, 2012 04:00 PM
Watch out for squibs, they grab you with their tentacles, but they taste good fried!
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