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Anyone have experience with the Kel Tec SU-16 line of rifles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    And OD* - Luddite that you are - a detachable box magazine can "top off" a rifle with 30 (or more, maybe) rounds as fast as a lever gun could get one or two rounds in the tube, with fewer, less complex motions. Simpler and faster equates to "easier" in my book, but that's just me.
    I did say "topping off" a levergun, not "reloading" the levergun, there is a difference to me. If a person doesn't have much first hand experience, I guess "topping-off" or completely "reloading" a tube fed levergun maybe complex motions to them. I have a lot of time with the levergun, I don't find pushing a cartridge through a loading gate complex, but that's just me. Now if I would have said, or implied (which I didn't) completely reloading the rifle, yes, a detachable box magazine has it all over a tube fed rifle.
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    Topping off is the same concept, one way or another. If I have fired a portion of my ammunition, but not all of it, and then bring my ammunition supply back up to full capacity, I am "topping off." If I do that by sliding four individual rounds into a tubular magazine or by replacing a partial magazine with a full one, I am "topping off." So, again, a detachable magazine fed weapon is, generally speaking, faster and simpler to "top off," and once you ARE topped off you (again, generally speaking) have a lot more ammo available.

    I say again, I am not bashing the lever/pump whatever. Just pointing out when arguments for or against ANYTHING make no sense.

    ETA: I didn't say that loading a round through a loading gate was "particularly" complex, I just said it is more complex than pushing a box mag into a mag well. Bigger hole, easier target. And, of course, you only ever have to do the motion ONCE with a box mag, whereas it could be quite a few times with a tubular mag.
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    Well, we disagree, which doesn't really surprise you, does it?
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    It kinda does. It's like one person saying "Fire is hot," and the other person saying "I disagree." The fire doesn't care one way or the other, but it knows what it is...
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Of course you would write that, it's just you being disagreeable yet again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    Of course you would write that, it's just you being disagreeable yet again.
    OK that is pretty funny.
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    I wouldn't recommend leaving it in there all the time by any means, but sometimes it's nice to be able to the throw the Sub2k or SU-16 along with mags, overnight clothes, toiletry items, and anything else I may need for a weekend trip all in one 20" gym bag. Arizona's laws are clear and simple on firearms loaded and concealed in the car.
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    I disagree that I am disagreeable. :)
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    "The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." ~ Jeff Cooper

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    You might want to check into whether it is legal to have loaded magazines for your rifle in your trunk.

    Personally, I would tend to prefer a lever gun, or a pump shotgun. Both can be loaded very quickly from ammo boxes - no box magazine to load up and then insert into the gun. I also like that tubular mags can be topped off on the fly. And I prefer the thump of a .30-30 or a 12 g to a .223 any day.
    It is legal to have a long gun in your vehicle with a loaded magazine inserted in it in TN as long as you do not have a round in the chamber and you have a valid HCP.

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    I had a Su16c and it was a little picky about ammo. Fun to shoot though.

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    If it is legal in TN, then that is good info for the OP - I have no info on TN law.

    That said, you would need to be careful if you cross state lines.

    Personally, if I felt a need to keep a long gun in the vehicle, I would do so in a manner that was legal just about everywhere...just so I didn't need to worry or think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adameeski View Post
    It is legal to have a long gun in your vehicle with a loaded magazine inserted in it in TN as long as you do not have a round in the chamber and you have a valid HCP.
    Yep. I already knew that but did not make it clear in my original post. Sorry about that guys.
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