No to an AR - went with a tactical Auto Shotgun

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    No to an AR - went with a tactical Auto Shotgun

    Started thinking SBR; then AR platform .308. The more I envisioned scenarios that I felt could happen to me in the deep suburbs, the more a tactical shotgun appealed to me. Landed on a Mossberg 930 SPX. Superb. After reading about Argentina after the peso devaluation, it became clear that something besides a pistol was necessary. Less than half the cost of a Benelli M4 yet it is fast, reliable and has great sights. 8 rounds of 2 3/4 shotshell or 7 3" loads. I believe a lot more memebers would be better served with a tactical shotgun versus an AR. Most do not even consider the shottie.

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    I have a 930 SPX, and an AR.

    But, you have chosen wisely. It is a lot of shotgun for the money.
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    Two different purposes in my opinion... although the AR can be used in close range, the shotgun cannot be used in long range.

    Looks neat, reading up on it now.

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    I have a modified Saiga 12 for such use.
    Its a mag fed, drum fed shotgun.
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    Nice choice. A very different tool than an AR, but great to have. My shotguns are a good bit less sophisticated, but I do like the options they provide in close quarters.

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    I have a Mossberg pump that I'm happy to have but I sure wouldn't object to having one of those too! Enjoy yours!

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    The SPX is on my short list.

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    Nice shotgun, thank you for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    Two different purposes in my opinion... although the AR can be used in close range, the shotgun cannot be used in long range.

    Looks neat, reading up on it now.
    Lets be realistic about the actual range that you will be shooting in the suburbs if SHTF. Inside the home, nothing beats a shotgun with buckshot. Outside the home, a shotgun with slugs is good out to 100 yards. If I have to engage someone out beyond 50 or so yards, I'm going to be thinking about taking cover not engaging in a running gun battle. If you can't rely on emergency services, then long term survival is going to require that you avoid confrontations if possible. I'm going to avoid/evade if possible anything beyond shotgun range in the suburbs. But... if I had to abandon the house and bug out, I'm going to want a carbine for ease of carrying ammo. I think its smart to build a gun collection up from a handgun to a shotgun, then a carbine like an AR/AK/SKS. That covers all possibilities.

    I have two handguns, one for me and the woman, just bought a shotgun, and am looking at buying a rifle next.
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    I've spent some trigger-time with a 930 SPX. It's everything they advertise that it is. BTW, a .308 SBR is a VERY, VERY LOUD selection. Go shoot a Springfield Scout Squad M1A with an 18" barrel & then see if you REALLY want anything shorter. (ouch!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chesafreak View Post
    Inside the home, nothing beats a shotgun with buckshot.
    Ever shot a shotgun, inside an enclosure, with no earpro? At night?

    I'll take a suppressed SBR or pistol every time over any shotgun.

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    If you haven't been to the range with an AR 223 yet I would suggest you do that. Put a reasonable scope on it (less than a hundred bucks), set up a couple of shoot n c targets at 100 yards and see how quickly you can group a magazine full into a 4 inch circle. Little to no recoil and back on target in seconds or less. I didn't think much of the 223 until I saw how damned fast they got into the circle...it is a blast to shoot. By the way...I also take my 20 16 and 12 gauge to the range as well. Nothing beats 00 buck in the 12 at 50 yards. My wife was the one that wanted the AR...now I want one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munch520 View Post
    Ever shot a shotgun, inside an enclosure, with no earpro? At night?

    I'll take a suppressed SBR or pistol every time over any shotgun.
    If I have to shoot somone inside my home, the last thing I'm worried about at that moment is my hearing. Thinking ahead, I am looking into buying some ear plugs or muffs that allow you to hear normal conversation and attenuate louder noises.

    I would favor a suppressed SBR or pistol over a shotgun as well, but thats a whole 'nother category and is much more expensive and takes a while to process the paperwork if you don't already have it. When I hit the lottery I will look at buying a Glock with a suppressor and red dot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chesafreak View Post
    If I have to shoot somone inside my home, the last thing I'm worried about at that moment is my hearing.
    I'd agree, if you can guarantee your first round is on target and you are face-to-face with the one and only assailant. As neither variable is guaranteed, I'd worry about how disoriented you would be after that first or second shot. Both in terms of your vision and your hearing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chesafreak View Post
    Thinking ahead, I am looking into buying some ear plugs or muffs that allow you to hear normal conversation and attenuate louder noises.
    That'd be an improvement, if you can get them on in time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chesafreak View Post
    I would favor a suppressed SBR or pistol over a shotgun as well, but thats a whole 'nother category and is much more expensive and takes a while to process the paperwork if you don't already have it.
    I hear ya, I was responding to your blanket statement "Inside the home, nothing beats a shotgun with buckshot."

    If you amended that to "On a budget, inside the home, nothing beats a semi-auto shotgun with buckshot." I may be more inclined to accept your premise.
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