Is a shotgun "useless"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    Miamieddie: You'll learn Hollywood vastly overstates the power of all guns, and likes to show bodies flying through the air or body parts flying off for dramatic purposes. While we all wish our weapons of choice might produce such results, alas, that will never be the case......
    Newton's Law of Reactions. While my Shotgun slug into a kevlar vest won't throw anyone through a wall, it would probably break most of a perps ribs. It might kill through blunt force trauma
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizjimbo View Post
    I have a short and narrow hall...if I miss I might as well go back to bed!
    Might as well.

    Size of the hallway has zero to do with how effective (or not) #8 shot will be on a BG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    target practise? useless.

    stoping a robber? very useful.

    fighting an invading army of martians? useless.

    hunting ducks? useful.

    hunting ants? useless.
    Never owned a shotgun have you, never heard of Trap & Skeet, Sporting Clays, self-defense training?
    Target practice with a shotgun is far from useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miamieddie View Post
    just like throwing my senses in here, and lots of time i try to use logic.
    That's not what you (and others) are throwing in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    Never owned a shotgun have you, never heard of Trap & Skeet, Sporting Clays, self-defense training?
    Target practice with a shotgun is far from useless.
    sorry forgot about skeet shooting.

    was thinking more in terms of stationary targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Can be used to hunt small game without vaporizing it
    I've shot a squirrel with a .270 - still plenty of meat (for a squirrel). Of course, it wasn't the most cost effective method.
    Can be used to hit a moving target with "something" (you are accepting that some pellets will miss...know your backstop)
    True, but the average hunter is lucky to bust 50% with lots of wounded birds escaping.
    Oh - and they cost MUCH less to buy (comparing a pump shotgun to even an inexpensive rifle)
    But so much more to practice with defensive/big game loads so the budget minded would be better served with a rifle.

    As to acquiring small game in anything other than recreational hunting, I question the logic of carrying a round of ammo to harvest meat where the round and edible meat weigh essentially the same. But that's just me - give me a .22 pistol and snare wire.

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    I make a motion that this thread be named "most full of shotgun misinformation"
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    Hio Nedrgr: 9 m/m=- .356 oo buckshot is .33, ooo is .36. picky picky, no hot rolls with yer coffee my friend. sides some will be deformed to over .356 etc., (squirming) however I must grudgingly say that you sre more correct than I am at this point, which in any event is negligible in SD

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    Is a shotgun useless ??? no not at all. with any load. if loaded with a slug, aim center mass, buckshot the same or legs and shoulder. bird shot straight to the face, one of thoughs baby's will catch an eye.
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    Catching the scent of mythical shotgun spreads... Peeewwww
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    Not being picky, your comparison of a shotgun pellet to a 9mm bullet was totally off base. The difference in projectile is considerable as to size, mass, construction, materials, and physical reaction to encountering flesh (expansion + designed sharp edges). Also, any deformation of spherical pellets in one direction to over .357 will necessarily result in deformation in another direction to less than .357 and will impede penetration in an already mass handicapped projectile. If you want to compare the individual pellets of buckshot, the most suitable pistol cartridge would probably be the .32 S&W.

    Seriously, where do you get this stuff?

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    A shotgun is still as formidable as it ever was. I would rather deploy a rifle for HD/SD, but if a shotgun is what is handy, I will not feel undergunned, unless the bad guy is at a distance beyond the shotgun's range, which would, realistically, be a very rare event. My actual, default HD/SD long gun is my personally-owned duty 870P, with a Vang-comped barrel. After I retire, a Mini-14 looks to be the likely successor, but the shotgun will still be kept around.

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    Let me redeem myself !! I learned to be a little more serius when replying on here , u guys are more formal, intelect, diplomatic, than what im use to hangin with, and thats cool !!! I sometimes or alot of times like to add lib (exadurate) a little especially about guns, we do it all the time here ar home with friends, havent you guys seen dirty harry, lol. Anyways my oppinion on the shot gun is I believe, a shotgun will do more damage at close proximity(inside ur home) to a human body than any other gun when using 00 buck or bird shots with a single pull of the trigger thats my beliefs. A shotgun is NOT useless !!!!!!!....

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    I hope i earned another star under my name on this one lol.

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