My shotty has 2 barrels and, a big smile behind them.
Doesnt matter if its an AR, Benelli Super blaster, or Super Zapper, its the resolve and experience of the person behind it.
I guess, my pain level must be lower than most of you people here.
If I broke into someones home and I, was met with the buisness end of a shot gun, and was shot with it.
I know it's going to hurt like H. E. double L. if it's a single shot, Im going to back off and try a different way, Like when that person is NOT home.
But if he has my winchester defender 1300, I know he has at least 5 more comming my way, I'm running.................. And you ???
I hope that my comment above was not misunderstood, as it well may have been. I was thinking 10-15 feet, and not lightweight birdshot 7-8-9's. Sorry for the clarification so late. I have 00 in my Benelli, personally.Quote:
A shotgun at close proximity, regardless of the load, is pretty devastating
I miss your point I guess. Can you elaborate?Quote:
Approaching the point of a low powered 10mm training round?
I have the solution for the birdshot dilemma! :lol:
Want to use birdshot? Worried about overpenetration? But still want to stop the BG?
Look no further than the "cut shell." Now - this will NOT cycle in a semi auto or pump shotgun, but will work fine in a double. What you end up with is the world's largest "Glaser safety slug." :tongue:
The lost art of "Cut Shells" - YouTube
I'm torn. I love my shotty and AR. But for home defense I have my shotgun at my bed and my AR is in my safe.
2. So, even in your right mind, a SG wouldn't keep you from doing what want - just make you rethink your tactics? - sorry, not good enough.
3. Hardly any BG is gonna id what kind of SG is used against them.
Good afternoon jonconsiglio, Ladies & gentlemen: My friend I will contest you later on individual shot performance and to the mass shot effect in reference to room distances., but, for the present, as I hinted, a single 00 at around 1200 fps is almost the same as the Navy colt .36, which has accounted for many a BG and Injun in the old west. (me part injun so don't get up tight peeps)
The ole Navy colt was considered a good man stopper among the pistols available, which included perhaps the best of all, The ...44 Dragoon (Walker colt, almost equal to the present .44 magnum.)
Now as to shotguns being effective, it's history of usage speaks for itself.
All stage coaches used it as their primary defensive arm.
All police / Sheriff depts. used it, most still use it, as the their primary close in weapon.
Prisons also used it.
The US military used it extensively, and it was considered the best by far, for stopping the Juramentado Muslim in the Philippines..
The Us Army issued it for extensive use in the trench warfare in WW-1, It was extremely effective for breaking up the German mass attacks. It was so affective that it lead to the German's official protest that by using lead shot, it violated the Geneva convention and that all Allied soldiers caught with a shotgun would be executed on the spot. The US retaliated with an appropriate remark, and the German order was never carried out
Even in the rev. and later the civil war, shotguns were considered as basic defensive arms especially suited for night work.
sheesh I could go on for pages in which it was, and is, considered as a serious weapon,
It is still considered as the weapon of choice for the wounded big cats, Lion, Leopards, and Tigers, in thick coverage. Shall we hint at room size zones?
So enough examples, as to 'terminal ballistics', may I point to a slight error, we are interested in 'delivered ballistics, energy, regardless of range. One refers to potential energy for deliverance, the other to actual 'delivered energy', many times there is a vast difference.
In my study of homicides I was told to always caution the investigating doctor to be especial watchful for the shot wad, for evidence, At close range -say across a room - the shot charge has spread very little and many times the shot would carry the wad into the wound.. The location of the wad could sometimes be useful in identifying the distance that that particular shotgun had been fired. All shotguns perform differently.
Side issue, most shot patterns in a room are almost in a solid column of densely packed shot, far far different from individual shot. So there is no way to calculate the one in reference to the other. In one case the shot pattern produced a 3 inch hole to the back bone, it was quite effective.
Don jose de La Mancha
Thanks tayopo you have a better way of explaining it then myself, i know when i explained it on #5 section of this forumi make it sound to dramatic and makes me look ignorant its just me its how i talk, and it throws everyone completly off and im sorry, again thanx,well said.even though everyones statment also made alot of sense... Eddie.
I ment section #4 not #5 my bad.
However, I don't think anyone is doubting the shotgun as a solid HD weapon. I believe the point of contention is the argument for and against bird shot, and that there is no way to consistently predict terminal results with its use.
Tayopo, good post. I do agree the shotgun is a formidable weapon and one that makes a great choice for home defense.
Jon, Gentlemen coffee is being seved in the patio, join me?
Don Jose de La Mancha