Looking at getting an AR, it has always been on my radar but due to the political climate I am thinking I should get one before someone decides I shouldn't be able to get one.
My budget is pretty flexible but I am looking for the best bang for my buck (pun intended). I stopped at the LGS the other day and they tried to push me hard on the Rock River Tactical Operator and actually said if I wanted to spend more to go to a POF model (piston) and they said LMT and DD were not worth the extra money. The RRA was just under $1000. My realistic budget is preferably under $1500 for the stock firearm though if it is not a firm budget if I there is something close that is worth it.
What I want is a good entry level solid well built and built to last AR. I want it capable of duty style use but it doesn't have to perfectly follow "the chart" if there is a good reason or potentially a better solution for one of the variables. I have done quite a bit of reading on here, m4carbine, arf.com and also some other websites. I guess if this ends up being the only one I have the opportunity to purchase and own I want to know I made the best decision I can. I want it capable to handle a SHTF or TEOTWAWKI but I also am no mall ninja, I just want quality and am willing to pay a reasonable amount for it.
I want carbine length but am undecided about carbine or midlength buffer. Thoughts? Options?
I would prefer it to come with sights but that is not a deal breaker, I want to run irons for a while and will probably eventually put an aimpoint on it. I've done a a few appleseeds and am capable of holding my own with irons.
Piston seems to be the easiest for maintainence but if we are in SHTF scenario and something breaks the vast majority of ARs are DI so that's my choice for this one (the 2nd, 3rd or more may be piston eventually though).
Thanks for the help and reading this.
ETA: I know buying a separate upper and lower is the most economical way to go but I don't want to go that route at this time. That will be the next one, once I know what I do and do not like about the one you all convince me I need to get.
when it comes to a ar 15 im a fanof colt. the wife an i both run colts. fine. weponds
So, basically you are a Virgin with owning one. Good on ya! Have fun!
I just purchased my first AR. I did lots of research, read more forum posts than I care to remember, talked with friends. The majority of people and information kept saying the same thing. Get a Colt you won't be disappointed. So that is exactly what I did.
I've been doing my research for several months, watching youtube videos, etc. I ended up getting the Colt LE6920. Just added a CrimsonTrace Laser/Light vertical foregrip. I'm very pleased with it so far.
Own a LMT piston that will shoot anything and is rock solid. If/when I add another AR to my collection, it'll be a Colt without a doubt.
For the budget you mentioned, here's a curve ball for you: consider a Sig 556. Not as finicky as an AR (most) and very reliable. Just a thought. Sig Sauer 5.56 Swat Patrol Rifle 16" Barrel/quad Rail/foldin - $1082 shipped | Slickguns. Bud's is back ordered but usually has the rifle in stock for less than $1,300 and it takes standard AR magazines. If you are bent on an AR, a Colt would be the way to go.
I am a Colt fan myself...... If you are looking a reasonably price one you might want to look at:
S&W Model M&P15 Sport
The price is $739.00 (Suggested Retail, Dealer Sets Actual Pricing)
Product: Model M&P15 Sport™
A $1,000-$1,500 range is a very respectable budget and will afford you a great battle gun (as opposed to a hobby gun); Colt LE6920, BCM or Daniel Defense. I'm surprised that someone suggested a RRA over a DD - I'm not doubting you, I'm just surprised.
Please keep us posted on your progress.
Best of hope goes out to you,
Listen to this. I've read a lot of negative words about RRA on various ar15 boards. The general concensus for the $1k range is the colt 6920. Above that, look to Daniel Defense or Bravo Company (BCM). Buy it right and buy it once.
Originally Posted by DefConGun
I did a bit of research about a year ago and decided on a Rock River. Love it, but I think just about any major brand you'd get would be fine. My price range was around 1K and I got what I wanted. You can always upgrade parts and add scopes, etc. Its fun to build your own as well. I'd recommend the chrom barrel and bolt group as they are easier to clean. ARs are easy to disassemble, clean and put back together once you've done it a few times. Ammo is relatively cheap too.
Re: 1st AR
Ended up going with a daniel defense m4 with mid length gas system.
Going to put an aimpoint on later once I get the irons down.
Suggestions for slings?
Suggestions for frequently replaced
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Seem like a lot of Gunstores say the same thing. RRA is the best and Colt isn't worth the money. I've never shot an RRA, and it seems they get a bad rep in some firearms networks, but I'd consider buying one if the price is right. The thing is, you can get a pretty decked out RRA for about the same price as a pretty basic Colt. People like to get things with all the gadgets already included and in the average mind, that makes it "better". Colt is a higher quality firearm. How much higher quality, I really don't know, probably not an extreme amount. But the things the Colt comes with that most people like are materials and specs. 4150 1:7 barrel, full auto BCG, H buffer, F marked front sight post, and a 100% true 5.56 chamber, just to name a few... (which I think RRA, S&W and some of the "higher/mid-grade rifles" do truly have a 5.56 chamber). That is why people like Colts. Yeah the LE6920 may come naked and simple, but it's the specs and quality you're paying for. With the RRA and S&W (and nothing against them, I have an M&P15 myself and adore it), you're paying for the added "stuff" and "coolness".
With DD rifles, you're paying for the same things you're paying for on the Colt, PLUSSSSS the best rail systems on the planet. DD rails are expensive, high quality and worth the price. I broke the Troy Battle rail that came with my M&P15X. Replaced it with a DD and don't know why I waited until I broke the Troy rail.
In my opinion, just buy a 6920 if you can find one. Just buy it.... the Colt. You'll be pleased with it. It's really a no brainer. And DI vs Piston. Theoretically, a piston gun will run better. And the idea or the DI gun crapping where it eats... in theory, it just doesn't sound very great. But modern DI AR's run great. Keep them lubed and they'll run fantastically. They almost make the piston AR obsolete. Yeah... Obsolete :D Piston guns get REAL hot where you grip it with your weak hand. Ever run drills and rapid fire with an AK??? Think that experience, but with an AR. It may not be as bad. But piston AR's will get much hotter than DI guns where you grip them. I'm not against piston AR's at all. I just think a well maintained DI gun is just as good. And really, even poorly maintained, but lubed DI guns will STILL run.
My opinions of course.
I like a quick adjustable 2 point sling like the Blue Force Gear/Vickers sling, Viking Tactics sling, Magpul or Way Of The Gun sling.
Originally Posted by Hedgelj
Replacement parts are not all that frequent unless you are putting thousands of rounds down range a year. Most shooters don't, but replacement parts from BCM, DD, PSA and others are go to go. Extra bolt, bolt replacement spring for extractor and a extra recoil/buffer spring.
I would also recommend a quality flashlight and mount for the front of your rifle. There are many choices for this depending on the front rail system you have.
BTW, you made a very good choice with the Daniel Defense.:smile: