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Thank you for your service.
Your example was not that of a civilian in a sd role, I am betting you had much better support than joe homeowner has when jh needs his rifle.
Dan
This is a discussion on Defensive long gun use - more than 10 rounds fired? within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; DaGunny, Thank you for your service. Your example was not that of a civilian in a sd role, I am betting you had much better ...
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DaGunny,
Thank you for your service.
Your example was not that of a civilian in a sd role, I am betting you had much better support than joe homeowner has when jh needs his rifle.
Dan
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Folks, please keep this on topic or the thread will get locked.
I agree with most of you - but I'm asking for specific examples of civilian use of high volumes of fire with a long gun. Thanks for those who have replied so far. Owning a gun shop seems to be a theme so far...
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The question should be, when we did this before, did it help? I don't think so. The left would have us believe we didn't go far enough.Originally Posted by 10thmtn
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I don't think the civilian use of a defensive long gun is very prevalent.
At least I can't think of any.
Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.
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I dunno.
In the "Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power" thread/study, there were 1513 people shot with a handgun, and 276 people shot with long guns. That comes out to a long gun being used about 18% of the time a firearm is used.
BTW - I seem to recall YOU using a shotgun to shoot some burglers in the rear end in your younger days, no?
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6 in the tube and 1 in the pipe on my .45-70 level carbine. That would make me feel confidant that I could handle my own.
Bob
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if ny laws are similar to nj,a 10 shot semi auto shotgun is illegal already.
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True. I only used 3 shots. But for some reason, when I think of long guns, it's the rifle I think of; not sure why.I dunno.
In the "Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power" thread/study, there were 1513 people shot with a handgun, and 276 people shot with long guns. That comes out to a long gun being used about 18% of the time a firearm is used.
BTW - I seem to recall YOU using a shotgun to shoot some burglers in the rear end in your younger days, no?
Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.
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Just my two cents, but if you take the example provided of 3 bad guys, that's 3 shots per bad guy (ok, somebody gets 4) . I don't know about you, but when legitimately put in a high stress environment, I would not want to bet my life on the possibility that 3 bullets may not stop each threat.
They keep saying that guns have to have a sporting purpose. Well I don't hunt, and don't see anything sporting about it (note, I am not opposed to hunting at all, I just don't happen to do it and without competition don't consider it a sport). I do shoot competitions, which is clearly a sporting endeavor. I cannot imagine trying to run a 3 gun match using a rifle that does not accept a detachable magazine and cannot hold more than 10 rounds. As a civilian I regularly use a rifle for a legitimate purpose that requires more than 10 rounds. No, it isn't defensive in nature... but it is a high volume activity that thousands of people participate in regularly.
Actually, it sounds pretty good - unless you've got three guys breaking down your door and each one has a 10-round semi-automatic anything.
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One of the congressmen from up this way defended his home from some invaders with an AR-15 a couple years back. He was an Iraq vet too IIRC. But, I seem to recall no shots were fired.
OP, honestly I think that your guidelines are a little bit limiting, possibly intentionally. You need not only an offensive threat that would require multiple shots, but also a person defending themselves with a long gun. There have been some situations that I can think of where I would certainly want a long gun, some of the hostile home invasions come to mind by groups of thugs, were there are 3-4 or more thugs involved. Your long gun limitation also means that it is pretty much limited to defense inside the home.
I think there was a video of a home owner shooting at a car load of thugs in his driveway trying to rob his home. He came out with a shotgun I think. Not sure it was more than 10 rounds, but it was definitely multiple rounds.
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Lead and Diamonds: Lead and diamonds: the Richmond jewelry store shootout [Blast from the Past] (posted here on DC before we got serious about copyright violations). This incident involved the defensive use of a shotgun, only after numerous handguns had gone dry. Draw your own conclusions.
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Thanks folks. These are the kind of concrete examples we need. Keep 'em coming.
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