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    DaGunny,
    Thank you for your service.
    Your example was not that of a civilian in a sd role, I am betting you had much better support than joe homeowner has when jh needs his rifle.

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    Folks, please keep this on topic or the thread will get locked.

    I agree with most of you - but I'm asking for specific examples of civilian use of high volumes of fire with a long gun. Thanks for those who have replied so far. Owning a gun shop seems to be a theme so far...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    Folks, please keep this on topic or the thread will get locked.

    I agree with most of you - but I'm asking for specific examples of civilian use of high volumes of fire with a long gun. Thanks for those who have replied so far. Owning a gun shop seems to be a theme so far...
    The question should be, when we did this before, did it help? I don't think so. The left would have us believe we didn't go far enough.

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    I don't think the civilian use of a defensive long gun is very prevalent.
    At least I can't think of any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I don't think the civilian use of a defensive long gun is very prevalent.
    At least I can't think of any.
    I dunno.

    In the "Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power" thread/study, there were 1513 people shot with a handgun, and 276 people shot with long guns. That comes out to a long gun being used about 18% of the time a firearm is used.

    BTW - I seem to recall YOU using a shotgun to shoot some burglers in the rear end in your younger days, no?
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    Defensive long gun use - more than 10 rounds fired?

    6 in the tube and 1 in the pipe on my .45-70 level carbine. That would make me feel confidant that I could handle my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    I'll be honest: I don't understand why a 10-round semi-auto shotgun isn't sufficient for home defense.

    can someone please explain this to me?
    if ny laws are similar to nj,a 10 shot semi auto shotgun is illegal already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    I dunno.

    In the "Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power" thread/study, there were 1513 people shot with a handgun, and 276 people shot with long guns. That comes out to a long gun being used about 18% of the time a firearm is used.

    BTW - I seem to recall YOU using a shotgun to shoot some burglers in the rear end in your younger days, no?
    True. I only used 3 shots. But for some reason, when I think of long guns, it's the rifle I think of; not sure why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    I'll be honest: I don't understand why a 10-round semi-auto shotgun isn't sufficient for home defense.
    can someone please explain this to me?
    Just my two cents, but if you take the example provided of 3 bad guys, that's 3 shots per bad guy (ok, somebody gets 4) . I don't know about you, but when legitimately put in a high stress environment, I would not want to bet my life on the possibility that 3 bullets may not stop each threat.

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    They keep saying that guns have to have a sporting purpose. Well I don't hunt, and don't see anything sporting about it (note, I am not opposed to hunting at all, I just don't happen to do it and without competition don't consider it a sport). I do shoot competitions, which is clearly a sporting endeavor. I cannot imagine trying to run a 3 gun match using a rifle that does not accept a detachable magazine and cannot hold more than 10 rounds. As a civilian I regularly use a rifle for a legitimate purpose that requires more than 10 rounds. No, it isn't defensive in nature... but it is a high volume activity that thousands of people participate in regularly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    I'll be honest: I don't understand why a 10-round semi-auto shotgun isn't sufficient for home defense.

    can someone please explain this to me?
    Actually, it sounds pretty good - unless you've got three guys breaking down your door and each one has a 10-round semi-automatic anything.
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    I feel comfortable with a 15rd magazine in a M1 carbine backed up by a S&W model 65, that is my Home defense combination
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    I don't think the civilian use of a defensive long gun is very prevalent.
    At least I can't think of any.
    One of the congressmen from up this way defended his home from some invaders with an AR-15 a couple years back. He was an Iraq vet too IIRC. But, I seem to recall no shots were fired.

    OP, honestly I think that your guidelines are a little bit limiting, possibly intentionally. You need not only an offensive threat that would require multiple shots, but also a person defending themselves with a long gun. There have been some situations that I can think of where I would certainly want a long gun, some of the hostile home invasions come to mind by groups of thugs, were there are 3-4 or more thugs involved. Your long gun limitation also means that it is pretty much limited to defense inside the home.

    I think there was a video of a home owner shooting at a car load of thugs in his driveway trying to rob his home. He came out with a shotgun I think. Not sure it was more than 10 rounds, but it was definitely multiple rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    does anyone know of a civilian defensive shooting involving the firing of more than 10 rounds from a long gun?
    Yes - one, possibly two. Thank The Ayoob Files in American Handgunner magazine.

    The Gary Fadden incident: davehayes.org » Blog Archive » The Gary Fadden Incident

    Lead and Diamonds: Lead and diamonds: the Richmond jewelry store shootout [Blast from the Past] (posted here on DC before we got serious about copyright violations). This incident involved the defensive use of a shotgun, only after numerous handguns had gone dry. Draw your own conclusions.
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    Thanks folks. These are the kind of concrete examples we need. Keep 'em coming.
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