Originally Posted by

**Tangle**
Why do you think the .380 was shot from a 5" test barrel, but the shotgun was shot from a real world barrel? In order for what you are claiming to be true, you would have to prove that the .380 was indeed shot from a 5" barrel and that the shotgun load was shot from an 18" barrel.

For example, straight from the Hornady website, consider:

*"Hornady TAP® Reduced Recoil™ (blue hull) is a lower-velocity load designed primarily for pump action shotguns. It comes loaded in a blue hull with a load delivering a velocity of 1,100 fps out of a ***30" test barrel**."

30" test barrel. That really inflates the numbers as compared to firing it from a real-world 18" SD shotgun. That 30" is 67% longer than an 18" SD barrel most would shoot it from. IF the .380 were shot from a 5" test barrel, but from a handgun with a 3" barrel that too is a 67% difference.

I didn't say a shotgun was equivalent to several .380s, I said seven .380s had the same energy of 9 00 low recoil pellets.

So the math isn't moot. What's in question is the length of barrel used to obtain the shotgun data. You claim it is real-world, but 18", 21", 24", etc. are all real-world. Which one was it? Hornady uses a 30" barrel; how could other manufacturers use anything less? It would make their loads look weak in comparison.