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    Good alternative to the AR...

    So, this isn't a which AR is better, but since AR's are in extremely short demand...if you were looking for a good rifle, but didn't get an AR "in time", what would you look at...could be a bolt, lever...

    OR, would you even consider (if you own one) selling it, due to high demand and getting a decent rifle and making a few bucks.

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    Depends on my intended use.

    Defense and hunting medium game (hogs, deer) out to 200 yards, lever gun in a rifle cartridge (Win 94, Marlin 336, Savage 99, Browning BLR).

    Defense and fun recreational shooting, lever gun in a handgun cartridge - .357, .44, .45.

    Big game or long-range hunting, or serious target shooting, a bolt action.
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    Under normal circumstances, I'd say an AK. The two guns have been compared for decades, despite having nearly zero similarities. But they are a great alternative. As are SKS's. However now more than ever, something that will likely be much easier to get, will be a Marlin 336. Just as good in skilled hands. Shoots a more potent round (not to take anything away 5.56, as I am a fan of the 5.56), will be much easier to obtain right now, as will the ammo it shoots, and will do just as good of a job defending you as an AR15 will. I do think the AR has the edge on a lever gun, but lever guns still have a place in defensive use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlomeli View Post
    So, this isn't a which AR is better, but since AR's are in extremely short demand...if you were looking for a good rifle, but didn't get an AR "in time", what would you look at...could be a bolt, lever...

    OR, would you even consider (if you own one) selling it, due to high demand and getting a decent rifle and making a few bucks.
    I think first you must take into consideration where you stand with the AR platform. To most, it is the "Hammer of Thor". To people such as myself, it is nothing more than a coyote rifle.
    I like the AR, but truthfully, its a low item on my list of guns to own.

    Any of the lever guns and bolt guns fire a much, much more powerful round. A hit on the shoulder of a man with a soft point 30-30 would probably tear the arm off, and the damage of even that hit would be unsurvivable without medical care right now. A 44 mag or even 357 mag from a rifle would be about as destructive.

    If you choose a bolt gun chambered for a 243, 257 Roberts, 270, 30-06 or such, you are definitely into a powerful gun, one that far exceeds the capabilities of the 5.56.

    So, like gasmitty stated, it depends on your purpose.
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    Been thinking alot about a lever action 357 myself as it would also share ammo with one of my handguns, making one less caliber I would need to stock up on.

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    If I couldn't get an AR Id be looking at a Ruger mini 14, mini 30, SKS, M1 carbine, or an AK in semi auto or a Savage 110, Stevens 200, or an Axis in bolt action. All of these can be had in comparable cartridges, and comparable prices. For my own uses an AR is a varmint gun and a bolt action will do fine!

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    During the previous AWB, the gun I bought for HD was a '94 Winchester with the 16 inch barrel chambered in .44 Spl/.44 Mag. Ten rounds of .44 Spl in a light, handy, compact carbine made a fine defense load inside the house, while the .44 Magnum loads were more than adequate for anything else I could ask the little carbine to do.
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    I have an AR but felt myself pulled along with the crowd recently and had just about decided to buy either another AR or a mini-14. At the last minute, I decided to go a different direction and ordered a Rossi M92 lever action in .357 with 20 inch barrel. The ballistics of the .357 in a rifle won me over.

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    I'm thinking possibly a 30-06 or .308. Or possibly something even/better for hunting deer/elk....

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    This is my redneck AR, Rossi M92 .357 16 inch barrel. 20121230_200336.jpg
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    30.06 /.308 more than enough for deer. Not sure about elk as I haven't hunted them.
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    If you are hard pressed for cash, and are only now realizing that you would like to be armed before drastic legislation makes it impossible, I would suggest the Mosin Nagant rifle 91/30. The last I checked, these are still available for less than 130.00 dollars from a number of sources. They have been proven in the crucible of war and come with a number of useful accessories. Also, the ammunition is still available in bulk quantity and is reasonably priced.

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    Don't forget the Remington pump rifles! They offer lighting fast shots, while staying on target, with real power rounds like the 270, 30 calibers, and the 35 Whelen.
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    My buddy has the Remington pump in 30/06 and loves it. It makes for a very natural transition for anyone used to a pump shotgun. I've always wanted one in .35 Whelen but they are danged hard to find. Magazine fed too! Carry a few extra mags and you're good to go!

    (I've often wondered why Remington doesn't make a 20 round mag for it. Or, how about a Remington pump in .308 Win with an 18" barrel and 20 rnd mag? Ah well)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    Depends on my intended use.

    Defense and hunting medium game (hogs, deer) out to 200 yards, lever gun in a rifle cartridge (Win 94, Marlin 336, Savage 99, Browning BLR).

    Defense and fun recreational shooting, lever gun in a handgun cartridge - .357, .44, .45.

    Big game or long-range hunting, or serious target shooting, a bolt action.
    Next to a semi-auto format, I would have to say that I would go with the lever rifle next, then last the bolt action. JMHO.
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