Weapons Presentation: Long Gun vs Handgun

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    Lightbulb Weapons Presentation: Long Gun vs Handgun

    There has been a lot of emphasis put on the pistol presentation and now I’m getting a lot of inquiries on how we run the carbine. This our FIST-FIRE Combative Carbine method of weapons presentation:



    It’s exactly the same as our handgun “Full Extension” shooting position where the left elbow is locked straight. The Only difference is we pull the firing hand back and onto the pistol grip for the carbine.



    For comparison, here's our F-F "Full Extension" Handgun Shooting Position with left arm locked straight:

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    I use the thumb over bore method (c-grip) as well. Makes recoil a thing of the past. It makes multiple target acquisitions easier as well...
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    How come I like picture number three best. Nice grip but, watch that trigger finger.
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    There was a gun in the third picture? Lol, kidding.
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    A video about the subject..Sums up the technique well

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    I know that after years of shooting the standing position in high-power competition I could never acquire those other standing shooting stances.

    16-yr-old shooting standing off-hand.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIGdY5pfCA
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    There was a gun in that third picture. HMMM I didnt see one. Come to think of it I didnt see a carbine either.

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    That stance is very awkward for me. I came from the weaver/modified weaver handgun. I was taught to shoot a rifle by my father/grand father my grandfather taught marksmanship training to the Army in WWI and both were competitive rifle shooters.

    What benefit does that shooting stance have that the old school stance does not? Even doing lots of full auto fire I never had my off hand arm fully extended like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40Bob View Post
    That stance is very awkward for me. I came from the weaver/modified weaver handgun. I was taught to shoot a rifle by my father/grand father my grandfather taught marksmanship training to the Army in WWI and both were competitive rifle shooters.

    What benefit does that shooting stance have that the old school stance does not? Even doing lots of full auto fire I never had my off hand arm fully extended like that.
    Recoil and target acquisition. It virtually takes all sway out of the weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Recoil and target acquisition. It virtually takes all sway out of the weapon.
    Neither of those is an issue for me now. If you think an AR has recoil you need a real gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40Bob View Post
    Neither of those is an issue for me now. If you think an AR has recoil you need a real gun.
    True, but most of us are not built like a grizzly bear....
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    No matter how big or strong one may be, the further back your support hand is from the front of the gun, the more muzzle rise there will be. Also, supporting the front of the rifle on the underside will not control muzzle rise as much as a grip n line with the bore.

    It doesn't matter about size, a more aggressive grip on an AR will allow faster follow up shots or more rounds on target during full auto fire.

    People think too much in terms of recoil when we talk about grip and stance when muzzle rise is the real issue. I can handle the rifle pushing to the rear and stay on target. A muzzle rising is another story and I need that to stay as flat as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonconsiglio View Post
    No matter how big or strong one may be, the further back your support hand is from the front of the gun, the more muzzle rise there will be. Also, supporting the front of the rifle on the underside will not control muzzle rise as much as a grip n line with the bore.

    It doesn't matter about size, a more aggressive grip on an AR will allow faster follow up shots or more rounds on target during full auto fire.

    People think too much in terms of recoil when we talk about grip and stance when muzzle rise is the real issue. I can handle the rifle pushing to the rear and stay on target. A muzzle rising is another story and I need that to stay as flat as possible.
    He understands that. I was just having some fun with him. After 23 years in the border patrol, 40bob knows his rifles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    He understands that. I was just having some fun with him. After 23 years in the border patrol, 40bob knows his rifles...
    Good! I was kind of putting it out there for everyone though. Last time this came up people couldn't understand how a different grip would affect 5.56.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonconsiglio View Post
    Good! I was kind of putting it out there for everyone though. Last time this came up people couldn't understand how a different grip would affect 5.56.
    I fully understand and agree with you. I have been using it myself for a few years. Some folks have a hard time believing the difference in the 5.56. Steve really shows how effective the grip is...
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