August 8th, 2013 11:33 PM
I do that too. Especially with some variations of current handguns mentioned here on Defensive Carry. Reading about them here and occasionally looking up variants of current models is the only way I can keep up with the modern stuff.
Originally Posted by Sister
Here's the Model 1907 .351 in "fighting trim" with the optional Winchester factory 10-round "police" magazine in place. Original 10-round magazines are hard to find.
Who uses a rifle for HD?
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August 8th, 2013 11:44 PM
That's all such a personal choice, which makes it difficult to pick for you.
As for my house, we skip all the crap and have an M1A and 30 06 by the bed, along with handgun calibers starting with 4's.
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August 8th, 2013 11:55 PM
OK, so how do you two decide who gets the M1A and who gets the .30-06?
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August 9th, 2013 01:18 AM
Lots of great ideas! Personally I would say it's a better idea for you both to have identical, or at least similar, rifles. This way you can train together, and you'll both be intimately familiar with each other's weapons. While it might be counter intuitive, the experts all say that 5.56/.223 ammo will actually over penetrate less than a 9mm. This makes sense, especially if you're talking 55 grain light varmint rounds. I can't imagine a better mix of lethality and ease of directing a high volume of rapid fire than an M4-type rifle. Having owned a Mini-14 I'd advise against it. Mag changes are slow and the gun isn't as ergonomic as an M4/AR15. Still, it's a reliable gun.
The KRISS Vector is an awe-inspiring gun! I've never fired one but I was chatting with a guy at the range that was shooting his Vector. He had a laser on it and was dumping mags as fast as he could pull the trigger and keeping all the shots in a group the size of a playing card. Very impressive! However, he told me the gun was kind of finicky and would only run well with stuff it "liked".
A 9mm carbine wouldn't be a terrible choice, either. You can get 20 round mags for the Beretta Storm carbine; it's accurate and very reliable. Still, if you're gonna pack rifle/carbine size and weight you may as well be running 5.56.
You don't need a lot of "tacti-cool" accessories for your home defense firearms, but I do like to have a weapon mounted light.
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August 9th, 2013 02:51 AM
It's okay if the first digit in the caliber isn't a 4, as long as the second and third are 5 and 7.
Originally Posted by glockman10mm
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August 9th, 2013 07:41 AM
I have a fondness for pistol caliber carbines; I own several (Marlin Camp-9, Ruger PC4, Kel-Tec Sub2K, HiPoint 995, HiPoint4595) I first bought one with the idea that it would be easy for the wife to run in a HD scenario. But I have to admit, none of them really fit that bill as well as the simple 20ga Remington 870.
The main issue with each of these: unless you keep it ready with one in the chamber, they each take some form of fine motor skills to deploy (manipulating the charging handle). Sounds simple, but each of these takes some form of repositioning the hands, locating the handle, pulling the handle, then repositioning the hands. These are not difficult maneuvers, but I would submit that if you're a woman and you hear the door being forced open, your motor skills will diminish under the pressure and charging your carbine may not be as easy as it seems. You may even forget to charge it at all !
A pump shotgun, in contrast, is requires only one gross motor skill to deploy. Not necessary to reposition the hands, no worry of your hands slipping off a small charging handle, just a gross motor skill that, with even a small amount of range time, will be driven primarily by muscle memory.
That said, for me I have a 12ga Pardner Pump, and for the wife, a 20ga 870...
August 9th, 2013 12:34 PM
I really appreciate all these ideas and opinions. I like the idea of the Beretta 9mm carbine or AR15 for my wife and AR15 or 12 gauge for me. I'll see what I can get her to try and go from there.
August 9th, 2013 12:55 PM
A 20 ga pump loaded with #3 buck is pretty close to ideal at inside house ranges. A pistol caliber carbine is also a good choice. I am going to suggest something that no one else has mentioned, a .357/.38 lever action has a very safe manual of arms and can easily be handled by anyone who is slight build or recoil sensitive. BTW, a .357 in a rifle is very formidable weapon!
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August 9th, 2013 01:02 PM
The Lieutenant nailed my personal pick for me. For hallway distances I keep a 20ga with #3 Buck close at hand. At those ranges it is simply devastating in terms of on target performance. You get 1/2 the recoil of a 12 gauge while sending about 75% of the lead down range. You will also be surprised at how quickly and accurately you can fire a 20 gauge.
Originally Posted by 5lima30ret
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August 19th, 2013 11:07 PM
I consider my Winchester Model 94 Trapper in .44 mag to be my old-fashioned assault rifle. With a 16" barrel, it's plenty easy to swing inside and with light loads could be used indoors in a pinch. Still, the 12 ga. pump shotgun is still the way to go in my book. When I shot clays, there were many women shooting 12 ga. O/U's. You'll just have to find out what your wife prefers.
August 20th, 2013 02:41 PM
I have a Maverick 88 12ga loaded with 00 buck shot in an unlocked safe next to my bed, but the gun Id turn to for HD if necessary is my AK47. Id much rather have 30 rounds instead of 5+1, and the lesser recoil and faster follow up shots would be a huge bonus.
Super simple battery of arms (mag is loaded and safety stays off. I just need to take it off the wall and rack the bolt and I have an easy to use rifle. I just think that it would be more forgiving to have all that extra capacity. There is ther myth that you dont have to aim with a shotgun, but even at 30 feet, which is a pretty long shot for in a house, there isnt much spread.
Mine is just a WASR, but so far has been 100% reliable. A pair of quality AKs would do the job, as would a pair of ARs, for all the same reasons, although my AK is infinitely easier to manipulate than my friend's M&P15.
August 20th, 2013 03:22 PM
First I'd see what she wants. You know how it goes, if you keep her happy you will be a lot happier. From there I would suggest a 20 or 12 ga semi auto. You can look at the dedicated defense or even a turkey gun for a reliable soft shootin scatter gun. I think a pistol caliber carbine would be fun and great for practice but living in a suburban area I think an AR might be a better option. My concern is over penetration. I would also suggest that both or you become proficient with both guns. Since we can't be sure of exactly what will happen should you need use a firearm.
September 3rd, 2013 04:07 PM
This great debate has been posting now for about/almost 30-days now, so I don't know what stage of your HSD self-arming process your in at this point...........but
First off there is no “one-size fits all” in anything.
You have to try it on and see if it fits……..YOU ! and take all things into consideration to see if it fits YOUR ! situation.
You may live out in the boonies, with just you & your wife and a 30-30 lever works great for you, where as I may live in a densely populated zero lot-line subdivision with little-kids across the hall or in an apartment or condo with rice`paper walls where as a 20g shotgun would work fine for me.
And don’t take offense to this but your ages “or/and” health restrictions could play a big part in what you are going to decide on too.
If you’re looking for a HSD long gun, depending on your homes layout & construction & others living with you like kids in another room, nearness or how close your neighbor’s homes are & what the makeup of your neighborhood is. A pump or semi 12g or 20g, a lever rifle in 357mag or 44mag or 30-30, or an AR-15 or Ruger mini-14 are what I would suggest you both try on.
With practice~practice~practice~practice either one of you, you & your wife; should be able to handle any of the above choices. And it is very important too that what ever you do choose to use that you both can use it in case either of you has to use it for any number of reasons in an emergency.
Then, once you’ve finally decide on a firearm. Now there’s the wide range of which ammo to choose from as too which ammo fits best, into your particular HSD needs.
OR………simplify and just get another handgun like a 4” Ruger GP100/357 and a couple big dogs-dougies and one yappie one
September 3rd, 2013 04:18 PM
You know he wears the pants, and thus gets the M1A!
Originally Posted by gasmitty
OP I like a shotty for up close, in home work, but once it gets a little more hairy I would reach for my Marlin 336 in 30-30 if the situation permitted (mainly proximity to neighbors)
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