Founders couldn't foresee anything besides muskeets? REALLY?

Founders couldn't foresee anything besides muskeets? REALLY?

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    Founders couldn't foresee anything besides muskeets? REALLY?

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    The Founding Fathers had to be some of the smartess people ever to put into words and setting up a Government .

    No one in todays Government could hold a candle IMHO .
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    The whole argument about them not foreseeing ARs or 30 round magazines is a moot point. What they did foresee is the inherent nature of power and the corruption that comes with it. They had the foresight to realize that any government's benevolence is going determined, not by the men (or women) in control of it, but the amount of control they have over the people governed by it.

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    No one in today's government could hold a candle in intelligence or ethics. Washington had people who wanted to make him king he rejected the offer.

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    I'm sure that they couldn't forsee fully automatice guns like we have today but the same goes for cars. They couldn't have possibly perdict it. That's why they said to keep and bear arms...whatever those arms being. Whether a semi-auto or an AR-15. They couldn't perdict the advancment of technology. No one can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExactlyMyPoint View Post
    And both of those were complete and utter failures.

    Yes, the founding fathers most likely knew that firearm technology would improve. But I really doubt they would have believed in what we have today. Just like when we were kids we wouldn't have understood what the internet and computers really would lead to. And where we are today is nothing compared to where we will be 20 years from now.

    They also didn't understand things like chemical weapons or biological in the ways that we have them today. Trying to use the argument that the founding fathers knew where we would be today is always a flawed argument because there is no way they could have.

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    If the Founding Fathers were unable to foretell advancements in weapons technology, then they were probably also unable to foretell advancements in media technology. In the late 1700's, the only media was newsprint. So is it possible that the 1st amendment does not protect television, radio, internet or other forms of electronic media? Would we ever consider a 5-day waiting period for news stories before they are reported on electronic media? You know, just to verify the background and not do anything based solely on emotion, so nobody gets hurt.
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    If they had meant muskets, they would have written "muskets." The term "arms" is timeless in that it conveys armaments that are conventional to whatever time period in which it is applied.
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    It is true the Founding Fathers did not know how much technology would be in todays world . But with that said they did not write the constitution or declaration of independence just for a couple of days or years .

    Or for just some people and not others
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    The founding folk knew darned well what they were specifying: that an armed citizenry made sense for the whole host of reasons people can imagine, and they specifically dictated infringements shall not be tolerated for good reason. It was done deliberately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welder516 View Post
    The Founding Fathers had to be some of the smartess people ever to put into words and setting up a Government. No one in todays Government could hold a candle IMHO .
    And unfortunately the converse is that their offspring were the dumbest. Not only have we been poor custodians of the jewel they gave us, we've actually elected the oft maligned members in today's Government. And will continue to send the poor performers back for a repeat performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caertaker View Post
    And unfortunately the converse is that their offspring were the dumbest. Not only have we been poor custodians of the jewel they gave us, we've actually elected the oft maligned members in today's Government. And will continue to send the poor performers back for a repeat performance.
    Yup. We're doing it to ourselves. That should be the greatest wake-up call there is, but sadly so many are asleep at the wheel (or driving without hands on it) that it's careening of the road in more ways than one.
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    Term limits isn't the solution. An informed public and people actually voting are the solution. Quit focussing on the idiots in office. We are the dummies who put them in office and we can be the ones who toss them out, if we want them out. If you don't like who is in, quit your complaining and run for office.

    I am a politician (in a minor office). It is real easy to sit, toss rocks and complain, real hard to run for office, win and actually do the work. It is a sacrifice. Are you willing to make it or help someone willing to make the sacrifice?

    The Nation's founders gave us all the tools we need to make it work. Unfortunately many are too lazy and some just plain too stupid to do so.

    Just look at the thread in this forum on who votes. Some of the posts made me want to puke.

    How many here do not vote?
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    I agree one hundred percent. This is exactly how I interpret the 2nd amendment. "arms" being whatever weapon is most current, effective, and what puts the citizens on an even playing field with the government. In 200 years from now, if this country is even still around then, arms will be whatever the current weaponry is in that time, like it was muskets for our founding fathers and ARs for us. The 2nd amendment doesn't only protect us and our family from immediate harm, it protects our 1st amendment and every other constitutional right we have.

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