Help between two choices please

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    Help between two choices please

    As I have noted in other posts new rifle guy. Only shotgun and pistol experience. Looking at the AR platform hard have a line on two at a LGS. S&W MP 15 sport 556 for $660 or a Sig M400 enhanced carbine 223/556 for $950 ? I hear colt is a great AR am I missing something in the sport model?
    Also if I do get the S&W I can also buy another carry gun for my budget the wife allotted me.

    So would you go with the Sig and no new carry gun or the S&W and yet another carry gun which I do have enough of

    Thanks all in advance

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    The Sig will be decent, and I hate to be "that guy", but why not a Colt? I'd even look at PSA right now as they have deals that include an Aimpoint PRO for very little money. I'd stay away from the S&W. Their top of the line models are ok, but why spend Folt or BCM money on anything but a Colt or BCM, if you get what I'm saying.

    Of those two, I'd get the Sig. But if you really want the best gun for the money, a Colt or BCM is where it's at. There's really nobody else out there using the parts that they use. The only reason BCM isn't truly mil spec is because they don't have an inspector on site. Otherwise, they're quality is on par with Colt. I know in some instances, BCM has rejected over 50% of their stuff because it didn't meet their strict standards. Most other companies would let it pass and find other slightly out of spec parts to assemble with it.

    For range use, almost anything will be ok for now. But if you have any plans to set it up for home defense, plan on taking any classes, or just want a rifle that will last you for decades and will work when you need it, buy quality.

    Having said that, I think the Sig will do fine. I wouldn't buy that S&W though.

    Keep in mind when I'm talking about Colt and BCM, it's because they can be found at $1,050 or so.... I might not suggest it as strongly if you would be stuck paying $1,400 like some shops sell them for.
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    What is missing on the s&w is a forward assist and dust cover Gun Review: Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport | The Truth About Guns but it is a fine range guns ..

    But yeah as Jon said for 1k or so you can buy a 6920 by Colt .. Which will be a great entry AR.. Or Bcm I like the look of spikes AR esp the Pirate one as well

    Now Sigs are great guns in my book.. I very much like there swiss guns the 552/556 a lot and would more then likly get a Sig but I think everone should have a colt ... I mean from what I hear these are basicy what the Miltary used minus the 14.5 barrel and full auto...
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    You're buying a fighting rifle, not a .22 for plinking in the backyard; buy a decent rifle.
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    Cash as the big factor I would pass on both Go with the DPMS Panther Arms Oracle very good Ar current being seen as low as 599 to a high of 650.
    well worth it.
    I own some pricey AR's some worth the extra cash some not. The Oracle is a great deal and latter you can dress it up anyway you want.
    Colt 6920's on the rack at 1049 today when I stopped in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrongRecroom View Post
    What is missing on the s&w is a forward assist and dust cover Gun Review: Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport | The Truth About Guns but it is a fine range guns ..

    But yeah as Jon said for 1k or so you can buy a 6920 by Colt .. Which will be a great entry AR.. Or Bcm I like the look of spikes AR esp the Pirate one as well

    Now Sigs are great guns in my book.. I very much like there swiss guns the 552/556 a lot and would more then likly get a Sig but I think everone should have a colt ... I mean from what I hear these are basicy what the Miltary used minus the 14.5 barrel and full auto...
    The Colt 6921 is the 14.5" version of the 6920. The only difference between it and the issues M4 is the full auto option and a little difference in the roll mark. Everything comes off of the same line. The 6920 is just a 16" barrel, that's the only difference.

    Now, the issued M4's are being converted to the M4A1 which is full auto instead of three shot burst and has a heavy 14.5" barrel instead of the govt profile. Adds about 8 ounces. I'll take the govt profile every time over the heavy profile. The M4a1 is basically the full auto 14.5" version of the Colt 6721.

    Sig used to make a great firearm then the dude from Kimber took the reigns and ran their QC right into the ground. It seems they're starting to recover but just not there yet and are atill using lower quality parts in their handguns....

    Anyway, their M4 is a decent rifle. While I don't recall the exact differences, I had listed them a while back in a topic about their AR. There were some things that kind of out it between a hobby grade rifle like a Bushmaster and a quality fighting rifle like a Colt. So, for the extra $100 or so, I'll take the Colt or BCM. I really want to like that rifle too.

    Kind of like the new FN AR. While FN holds the M16 TDP and now has the TDP for the M4 to reliever a number of M4's to out military (same story for Remington Defense), they are NOT allowed to build their civilian rifles to the same spec. Colt is the only one that is able to do this. So, I was extremely disappointed with the FN at SHOT. Too many things wrong to list right now, but it was a mess!
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    Thanks guys after comments I can not find a colt "yes I have a time frame with the wife and spending no comments please" I can get a DPMS oracle for $750 no sights. What do you think? Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredg53 View Post
    I can get a DPMS oracle for $750 no sights. What do you think? Thanks again
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    You're buying a fighting rifle, not a .22 for plinking in the backyard; buy a decent rifle.
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    Don't get the DPMS there is better quality out there for not much more. Check out M4Carbine.net Forums
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    BTW no trying to be cheap. I never am with my carry guns or shottys just new to the AR game please inform me

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    OK gotcha sixto thanks you are right

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    Some people think an AR is an AR because they look alike. However you do get what you pay for just like if you bought a Glock compared to a Hi Point. Its easier to explain why one's better than the other because they look different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredg53 View Post
    BTW no trying to be cheap. I never am with my carry guns or shottys just new to the AR game please inform me
    I'm not trying to be dismissive at all, but there are tons and tons of threads about this here. Most AR's you're going to find on the shelf are hobby grade rifles. Its just the way it is. JonC has given you solid advice. I listen to him myself when I have AR questions.
    You need to decide if your need is a hobby grade rifle. If so, thats fine. Buy the SW sport, or the oracle. But don't confuse it with a true top quality fighting rifle. They are not. They look the same, but there are many differences.

    Here is a good place to start;

    DefensiveCarry.com AR-15 Buyer's Guide
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    there's been a few times I can't find what I want. Instead of settling for what the store has I have them order it for me. I'm spending money on a firearm I'm not compromising.


    added links: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread....w-better!-quot

    http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread....-Based-Threads
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredg53 View Post
    BTW no trying to be cheap. I never am with my carry guns or shottys just new to the AR game please inform me
    IMOP AR are not like AK you really do get what your pay for with AR in terms of quailty of parts etc .. Most any ak will be the same as the next one but with AR not so much ..

    I would take a sig or m&p over a DPMS any day ..

    Also if no optics that is something to think about ...



    I have seen 6920 at walmart and most sporting good stores for like 1k or less now ... Heck my local walmart has like 3 or 4 brands ( no ammo of course but they have the guns )


    As other said if you buy cheep you may end up spending all your savings in parts to make it run good .. Just my 2cents (same way I feel about a lot of 1911 as welll)
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