Need advice on choosing a tactical-personal defense semi-auto rifle

Need advice on choosing a tactical-personal defense semi-auto rifle

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    Need advice on choosing a tactical-personal defense semi-auto rifle

    I am seeking advice and feedback on what options I have for choosing a VERY good personal defense/tacticle semi-auto rifle? While I know opinions vary, I have somewhat narrowed down my search to an AR-15 style rifle. However, I haven't ruled out any others unless they don't meet my needs. Basically, I want something that is:

    1. Easy to handle and shoot quick rather in home defense or further away.

    2. A pistol type grip for easier control/carry.

    3. A highly adaptable rail that can hold an optical scope AND laser.

    4. Not too heavy for it's style/type.

    5. Prefer 30 round capacity.

    6. $2,500 or less

    I have looked at the Ruger SR-762 model and it seems to fit most of what I am looking for, but the capacity is limited. Also, I was told to check out LMP and some other AR-15 models that may be better.

    Is there a certain type of round that's better than others, such as 556 vs 762? I have no idea what to look for in that regard, but want something that has great stopping power.

    Thanks for any help.


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    A quality AR in 5.56 seem (IMHO) to ideally match your criteria. Just don't accessorize it until a lightweight, handy rifle becomes an...anvil. And there are a LOT of DEAD people who might attest to the stopping power of the 5.56 NATO caliber.
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    If you want a high maintenance but highly accurate ++300 yard rifle, get a $1k AR
    If you want a low maintenance [darn near no maintenance] fairly accurate - 300 rifle, get a $600 AK variant.

    If I were looking for a CQC rifle for my home and I had a $2500 budget, I would get a HK USC 45 carbine for $1500, $400 on optics, $200 on a light and the rest on ammo and mags.
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    dude, if your budget is $2,500.

    A Tavor and a RMR Reflex.

    do the research. Takes AR mags. and then go handle one in the store. yes, it's just a titch heavier on the scales than a typical-comparable AR....

    but it FEELS WAY LIGHTER when shouldering and maneuvering.

    I was always luke-warm on bull pups, but this thing, it sells itself. it really does.

    My 18" tavor is as long as my 16" mini-14, folded.

    Maybe a Noveske or DD AR. Maybe a FN SCAR, heavy or light.

    Tavor's are just awesome.

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    Colt or noveske an either eotech or U.S. Optics will fill the bill nicely

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    You could buy a nice AK-47 and enough ammunition to collapse your floor for $2500.

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    Save yourself $1500 and get a Colt LE 6920.

    They are about 1K most everywhere - Georgia Gun Store had them on sale for $870 recently! May still have that deal going...

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    Bullpup is the key or underfolding or side folding gun for HD if you ask me ...

    Travor is good .. Very compact and easy to handly and takes all AR mags from 5-100 rounders ... and you can put whatever sigts you want on it IWI-Tavor-TAR-21w1.jpg

    or for that old school look get a AUG the new ones are nice and the mags hold 30 or 42 rounds or you can get models that take ar mags .. steyr_aug.jpg thats the A1 the new A3 are the same but with rails intested of the old Doughnut of death...

    Or get a undefolding or side folding AK ..Most AK can easily be fitted with a side folding stock even WSAR can ... Or get a undefolder like the PAP guns they are nic g3DdSTEl.jpg
    or get a piston AR or such like the SIG 556 etc guns due to there gas systme the stock folds to the side SIG-556-Classic.jpg


    Or if you want a basic AR you can get a olt 6920 for like 800-900 bucks now and they are great guns ...

    Most sporting rifles now take or can be made to take AR-15 mags which go from 1 to 100 plus rounds ... Ak mags are stander in 30 or 40 rounders or you can get 20 rounder tanker mags ..

    AK ammo is dirt cheep like 6 bucks for 20 bucks

    But something to think about is where you live most rifle rounds esp 223 and x39 have a habbit to blow though walls of homes so think about your next door neighbor..

    I kind of like Pistole calbier carbins for HD .. Still can shoot though walls but not as bad and wont be god loud as firing 7.62x39 inside .. I like the UZI old shcool gun but pretty handy VECTOR makes good clones for 800 bucks .. Dont buy a UC9 they are not that great .. Or you can switch a AR or Travor to fire 9mm ...
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    Stoping power is great but over pentration is too .. 7.62X39 ( AK ) is like 30-30 so a bit of a punch

    Have you looked at 5.45x45 ? Nasty round called by some the posion bullet ( I still blame bad med care then anything ) .... Even with the import ban ammo is cheep and the gun is easy to handly and can be had for like 800 bucks or less for a good one like the Waffen Works ... And the mags hold 30-45 rounds .. I like the gun very low recoile and flat shooting and sidefolding stocks make it handy and that rounds is a nasty little bugger esp the now banned 7n6 stuff

    308 etc are great too but I rather not fire my 308 indores thank you very much ....

    Most morden sport gun have mags that hold 20-30 rounds .. Most 308 guns are right around 20 rounds the M1A the G3 and clones the 308 AR ....
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    Colt 6920, quality drop in rail of choice, pistol grip and stock of choice, Aimpoint PRO, Surefire tac light, some PMAGs, and whats left on ammo.

    At least that's how I'd spend 2500 to set up a solid defensive rifle.
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    Heck if you got 2.5 the worlds is your oyster ...

    I mean with that kind of dough you can buy a really nice AR and great glass and mags and ammo and have plenty left or you can do the classy thing and buy the really evil 1989 guns .. That will always go up and up ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban View Post
    If you want a high maintenance but highly accurate ++300 yard rifle, get a $1k AR
    If you want a low maintenance [darn near no maintenance] fairly accurate - 300 rifle, get a $600 AK variant.

    If I were looking for a CQC rifle for my home and I had a $2500 budget, I would get a HK USC 45 carbine for $1500, $400 on optics, $200 on a light and the rest on ammo and mags.
    I have an HK USC in .45 ACP, and while I absolutely love the gun I couldn't really recommend it to anyone that 1) isn't a big HK fanboy/fangirl or 2) planning to do an UMP conversion. The gun was recently dropped from the HK catalog so if you can find one it will probably set you back $1700 or so. And that gets you a gun with a 10 round magazine and a trigger like a staple gun. Yeah, it shoots great! Very accurate and reliable. But because of 922r it has to be sold in a neutered/'sporting' configuration. Once you do the minimum of US-made parts and do the UMP conversion you will have an awe-inspiring CQB weapon...but you'll also have $3000 sunk into the project.

    For a pistol caliber carbine I think the Beretta CX-4 Storm carbine is a better value. I have both, btw. You can get a Storm in 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. Prices run from about $650-$800 depending on the version and caliber. Mine is the 9mm version that accepts 92 magazines. 30 rounders cost around $40 and the 20 round MecGars are about $22. The carbine is very reliable, on par with my HK and nearly as accurate. The trigger of the Storm is even worse than the HK and by a wide margin. But you can get a good aftermarket trigger upgrade from Sierra Papa for a reasonable price. In stock form the Storm is much shorter and more maneuverable than the HK, too.

    Looking at BBI (Ballistics by the Inch) I see that the velocity of .40 S&W bullets from a 16" barrel like the Storm has is almost exactly the same a 10mm from Colt Govt model- pretty stout medicine!

    Here are a couple pictures of my USC and Storm. The latter is set up with a Primary Arms RDS and both are equipped with WMLs.






    But let me be clear- I'm under no illusion that either carbine is the equal of a rifle for combat! Either of them is capable of accurate fire out to 100 yards but even a .45 ACP is a pop-gun compared to a 5.56 NATO, .300 Blackout or 7.62 x 39! A rifle is much more lethal than a PPC. I chose the PPC because my local range allows them but not true rifles, so I can't really train with a real rifle. For me better the PPC that I shoot the snot out of than an M4-gery that I shoot twice a year.

    If the OP wants a true rifle for HD and has a $2500 budget, well...the world is indeed your oyster! Get a BMC, Daniel Defense or Colt, top it with an Aimpoint PRO and put a light on it- DONE! But if you're at all considering a pistol caliber carbine the Beretta Storm is a very formidable option!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiTekJeff View Post
    I have looked at the Ruger SR-762 model and it seems to fit most of what I am looking for, but the capacity is limited. Also, I was told to check out LMP and some other AR-15 models that may be better.

    Is there a certain type of round that's better than others, such as 556 vs 762? I have no idea what to look for in that regard, but want something that has great stopping power.

    Thanks for any help.
    For great stopping powder, that would be 308 for sure.
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    Daniel Defense, build your gun.
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    Get yourself a used Ruger mini 14, and take your wife out for a nice weekend away.

    Unless you plan to be a super ninja operator agent sheep dog tactical special operations specialist, almost any rifle suggested, in any caliber suggested will do. I have friends with so much techno crap piled all over their A/R that by time they decide what to turn on... the engagement is over.

    Almost any rifle will work. The tactics depend on you.

    Just my opinion.
    Unless or course your in the military... then they will probably give you what they want to have.

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