Tavor Rifle

This is a discussion on Tavor Rifle within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; QKShooter posted a thread about the Galil. While I like the Galil, I like the Tavor even more....

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    Tavor Rifle

    QKShooter posted a thread about the Galil. While I like the Galil, I like the Tavor even more.
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    Thanks for the link dr...

    Im not a big fan of bullpup designs. They are funtional,I just think that they are ugly.

    The Galil on the other hand, just looks good. Ive always wanted one.
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    Looks like a handy little rifle, though I’ve never been a big fan of bullpups…A few things in the clip bothered me, however:

    They called the M16 a “machine gun.” Technically, I suppose, that M16s capable of full-auto fire are “machine guns,” but the military typically reserves that nomenclature for weapons designed to fire full-auto as their primary function.

    They called the M16 a “long” rifle (while showing pictures of mainly M4s). The M4, while admittedly longer than the Tavor, is MUCH shorter than most other assault/battle rifles.

    They said the Tavor was “as accurate as a sniper rifle.” The guy hitting a “head and shoulders” steel plate at 300m doesn’t mean the weapon is capable of M24/M40/SR25 accuracy, especially beyond 300m. If it is that accurate, I would worry about the tolerances being tighter than they should for optimum reliability.

    They said that, because the optics were permanently attached, that soldiers could “fire immediately, without having to waste valuable time lining it up.” What are they saying, that a red-dot that is mounted on a rail rather than being permanently attached is somehow slower to acquire? That’s just silly. And, of course, now you have no options as far as optics go, which is a downside in my opinion (though I did notice a small ACOG mounted behind the integral optic during one of the demonstrations). I think the optics power being attached to the safety is interesting, and has some merit. However, there are many times in combat when you want to have your weapon (and your sights) covering someone without disengaging your safety. Other than that, it’s an interesting concept.

    They equated a high cyclic rate of fire to being “quick” with the weapon, somehow indicating that the ability to shoot many bullets quickly translated into the ability to shoot quickly - as in shoot first - and as we all know these two things are completely unrelated.

    Other observations – the weapon seems “tall,” especially towards the rear. The optics are mounted pretty high. The charging handle is waaay out by the muzzle, which could be dangerous if someone flags their hand(s) while trying to manipulate the handle.

    Of course, I’m speculating on much of this, having never handled the weapon… I hope it works out well for the IDF, and fills the roles that they want it to fill successfully.
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    One thing about the IDF, Im sure that they'll get to try it in actual conditons fairly quick..
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    I would LOVE to own a Tavor. If I could Afford it.
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    It would make a great pick up gun and you could conceal it fairly easy under a duster or a man bag if you needed to. There's room in my safe for one.

    While I like "Future Weapon's" that guy is annoying. I'd rather listen to R. Lee Ermy any day.
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    A friend of mine is importing a few, hope to get to handle one before he sends it off to the customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
    A friend of mine is importing a few, hope to get to handle one before he sends it off to the customer.
    Colin, do you have any idea what the price on one is? Curiosity only, I am sure I can't afford one.
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    I'll see how well these do in the next couple years of service.

    Right now, the only 5.56 rifle that I'm impressed with is the G36.

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    Nice rifle. Love to see one up close.
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    Many many designs are going to the bull pup style. A bull pup is better and quicker at close quarters(urban environments). A long gun still has better stability for long range.

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    Did I miss any? I have a Arisoft P90 (yea its a toy, couldn't get the real thing) and it Is very quick at changing targets. A longer Stace is better for long range. How many bull pup sniper rifles are there?

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    Well, it seems to me that the bullpup design could actually create a sniper rifle with a barrel that is darn near the length of the entire rifle. Even if only 20" of barrel is sticking out there could be 10"-18" internal giving a 38" barrel.

    I would figure that there is a break-even point where you can have too much barrel for a given round.

    Just musing on a topic that I know very little about. Please take it as such. :)

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    I've liked the idea of a bullpup but I have never shot one. It's purely the "cool" factor until I try one out. I would like to try the new Kel-Tec Bullpup in .308
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaScout View Post
    Well, it seems to me that the bullpup design could actually create a sniper rifle with a barrel that is darn near the length of the entire rifle. Even if only 20" of barrel is sticking out there could be 10"-18" internal giving a 38" barrel.
    There are a few sniper rifles like this. The best known is probably the Walther WA2000. Most bullpup sniper rifles are large caliber anti-material rifles like the Barrett M90 & M95, the Steyr IWS 2000. This is probably because a very long barrel is necessary to get maximum performance from a large caliber cartridge, and putting it in the bullpup package helps keep the overall length of the weapon manageable (not that any AMR is what you would call, 'handy').

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