AK question

AK question

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    AK question

    I am trying to help someone with their AK. We have looked at different sites, but can't find what we need. Those of you with an AK-47, help me if ya can, please. Take off the cover, take out the long spring thing. Lay the rifle muzzle to the left, upright. You have the switch for fire and safe. On the other side of the gun, where the pivot is for the safe lever, there is a spring looking critter. One end goes around the end of the pin for the safety switch. Looks like it should go under the trigger pin at the groove and then somehow go to the groove on the hammer pin. Both the hammer and trigger pins look like they have grooves on the left side. Does this spring go above or under the trigger pin? (Looks to me it would go under it). and then it goes forward to the hammer pin. It this spring's only function to hole the hammer and trigger pins secure? Why isn't there a couple "C" clips to hold these pins in place.

    Hopefully, I have described what I am talking about good enough for someone to help. Thanx for any smarts about this question.
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    If this is the same spring I am thinking of, there are 3 pins it connects with. It is coiled around the back pin, goes under the next (middle) pin and back up on top of the 3rd (forward most, hammer) pin. I have a couple of good pics of the inside, but they are too big to post. I'll see if I can photobucket them.
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    Ours looks kinda line this one, it has the coil at the short end and the longer end the coil is missing. I can only assume that it holds the hammer and trigger pins in place. I don't see why "C" clips weren't put there instead of trhis spring clip thing.
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    Definitely different than my Saiga, then. As for why, my guess would be for easier field repairs? Less likely to pop off than a C-clip? Sorry I wasn't more help.
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    Oh, you were a help. Made me slow down and look at a site for parts. seems there are different types of these springs. Apparently, all they do is keep the 2 pins from coming out. Thanx for your reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mech1369dlw View Post
    Oh, you were a help. Made me slow down and look at a site for parts. seems there are different types of these springs. Apparently, all they do is keep the 2 pins from coming out. Thanx for your reply.
    If that's it, maybe you could get a couple hardware store type c-clips. Don't think it would hurt to try.
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    The clip, commonly referred to as a "shepherd's hook", was designed for ease of field stripping, but is a real pain to re-install for the inexperienced. Several places sell a retainer specially made to replace that wire clip. It does the same job and is easier to install. I have replaced the wire clips on all of my AKs. Here is a link to one of them:

    http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/inde...ain_page=crook
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    That is what I'm talking about!!!! There is a wire thing there right now that I don't see how it fits. I'm gonna hit a show today, see if they got one. If not, I can order one. I thought it just held the pins in place, but couldn't prove it. May you find a case of ammo under your pillow, sir. Thanx very much for the pics and link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mech1369dlw View Post
    That is what I'm talking about!!!! There is a wire thing there right now that I don't see how it fits. I'm gonna hit a show today, see if they got one. If not, I can order one. I thought it just held the pins in place, but couldn't prove it. May you find a case of ammo under your pillow, sir. Thanx very much for the pics and link.
    You're most welcome. Let me know how you make out.
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    I read on ak47.net that there are at least 2 different "shapes" of this hook and different ways to put them in. It was also mentioned that the c-clips would work, they are just easy to lose, so if you go that route, buy a bunch and keep them in your cleaning kit.

    Oh, to figure out what size clip to buy, take a pin with you, not the whole gun.
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    The 3-page tutorial at the site below may help answer your question:

    http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/fcgremoval.htm
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    I'd go with the Shepherd's Crook replacement (in fact, I DID go that route) .. and as stated above, you can find them several places, but the cheapest I found was from Krebs Custom at $9.50

    http://yhst-70335205963818.stores.ya...trpinrepl.html

    Red Star Arms also sells one, and a PDF file of the "how to" is here:
    http://www.redstararms.com/uploads/retainer.pdf
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