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    Pistol caliber carbine ammo...

    What ammo (preferably controlled expansion ammo) works best in a 9mm carbine?
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    Well, that would depend. Whats your intended goal? Life insurance or paper punching? What kind of carbine are we talking about? A PC9, camp9, AR (bbl length?) an HK MP? Lots of variables to consider...
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    It's for home defense.

    And it's a hi-point 995. (I've done a lot of research and I think it will do the job.)
    If anti-gun legislators truly believed that guns kill people, the guns would be on the witness stand and the assailent would be holding the "Exhibit A" sign.

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    Depends on what the individual gun will feed reliably.

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    From what I read in a mag, pistol caliber carbines are better fed +p ammo so you do not lose velocity travelling down the barrel. Make sure the gun is rated for +p.
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    It's rated +P+.

    Specifically, has anyone tried Wolf 9mm Hollowpoint?

    Doe they expand?
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    I shoot 147gr Winchester Personal Protection, out of my Sub2000.

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    The exact same ammo you use in your 9mm ccw pistol . I assume you got the carbine so you had ammo commonality so just adjust the sights on the carbine to shoot poa poi. If you got say a kel-tek it may well share mags with your glock , s&w , ect.. shoot the same ammo .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    From what I read in a mag, pistol caliber carbines are better fed +p ammo so you do not lose velocity travelling down the barrel. Make sure the gun is rated for +p.
    I'm probably mis-reading you here, Miggy, but it appears that you are saying that the longer barrel of a carbine (compared to a pistol) will cause the round to lose velocity? Just so we're all on the same page (and, again, I'm sure I'm misinterpreting you) - carbine length barrels significantly increase the velocity of bullets (all other things being equal) when compared to pistol length barrels.

    As for the original question: I use the same ammo in my Colt 9mm SMG (10" bbl) as I do in my EDC pistol, for reasons stated already - I know it feeds well, I know it is a good quality expanding round, and it simplifies my logistics!
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    Opfor actualy many pistol rounds will actualy loose velocity out of a 16" tube since all the powder is used in the first 12" or so .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs View Post
    Opfor actualy many pistol rounds will actualy loose velocity out of a 16" tube since all the powder is used in the first 12" or so .
    OK, granted, I am thinking about SMG length barrels (8-12") as opposed to civilian-minimum "carbine" length barrels. Sometimes I forget that not everyone has access to SBRs...

    Thanks for clarifying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    I'm probably mis-reading you here, Miggy, but it appears that you are saying that the longer barrel of a carbine (compared to a pistol) will cause the round to lose velocity? Just so we're all on the same page (and, again, I'm sure I'm misinterpreting you) - carbine length barrels significantly increase the velocity of bullets (all other things being equal) when compared to pistol length barrels.
    I am no expert, but the physics in the article made sense.

    As I read it in Guns magazine last year (or year before) when they were doing the review of the Beretta Storm, it is a question of the type of powder used in handgun cartridges and pressure. The powders used for handgun ammo is fast burning to achieve max pressure quick so the bullet acquires max speed before leaving the barrel. Same cartridge used in a carbine will reach the max speed well before the end of the barrel and presure decreases as the volume in which the gases are contained increases (lenght of barrel.) I don't remember exactly the numbers but they chrony the shots and there was a drop in velocity somewhere in the 15-19% BUT (again, according to the article) the accuracy was greatly improved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs View Post
    Opfor actualy many pistol rounds will actualy loose velocity out of a 16" tube since all the powder is used in the first 12" or so .
    Do you mean the Max potential muzzle velocity lost, or the velocity is lower than a 9mm handgun? The kel Tek forums has many chronograph test posted. They all produce a few hundred FPS faster than the handgun, that sub is compaired with.

    I did get the sub so I could swap mags with my Glock. But I think I have CorBons in my Glock ATM. The sub likes heavy rounds.

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