Shotgun that won't cycle

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    Shotgun that won't cycle

    I have an old J.C. higgins semi auto 12 guage that I got from a friend cheap because it won't cycle. It will fire one round just fine but it will not chamber the next shell. I can't find a smith that wants to work on it in my area. Does anyone have any experiance with this old Sears shotgun. I can't seem to find any info on it.
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    Best guess- gunked piston and/or worn out O-rings(I assume it has something like that).

    Be brave. Strip it down yourself, and hose it down with carb cleaner. Brush everything off and out thoroughly. Just lay everything out on a surface where you can keep track of parts, and take your time.

    Added: it looks much like Mossbergs, externally. After getting it slightly stripped, you can go here: http://stevespages.com/page7b.htm
    and print off the Moss 500 and Maverick manuals, then look at Remington 1100/11-87, maybe Brownings, any other gas-operated autos you think of, and see what looks similar. It's how I learned......

    Oh, last thought, and easiest- you need a new magazine spring. Wolff has them for about $8- you cut to fit. Leave the new spring about 4-6 coils longer than theone currently in the gun.
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    Thanks, I'll give it a go. Better to make my mistakes on something cheap.

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    Dont worry, you'll be suprised how simple of a machine it is.

    I suggest you take it apart on a old beach towel or a piece of carpet to keep small parts from rolling away to never land.
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    Understood. I hate those carpet soluble parts.
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    A towel...
    And good lighting too...

    Those little parts either roll or disappear into the carpet/towel...

    OMO

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    Unless you have an extractor related (which you can check by manually cycling) or other mechanical problem, when you remove the forearm, you may likely find the problem. Both spring and gas operated shotguns get gunked up where the piston and slide mechanisms slide on the magazine tube, as Rob72 alluded to in his post.

    If gummed up it will take enough of the rearward momentum out of the action to stop it from coming back fully to properly eject and chamber a new round. At least this is the case with Browning A-5, and Remington 48 spring operated models and gas models like the Remington 1100. More common with gas operation though. Spring models (known as recoil operated I think) don't foul as much or as fast. I can get away with well over 1000 rnds through an A-5 or Rem-48 without cleaning. Rem 1100 gas models need to be cleaned about every 300 - 500 rounds in my experience.

    Use some CLP to lubricate, don't use 3 in one or some other cheap gun oil, because they will only cause it to gunk up faster in the future.

    Also as was stated previously by Rob72, if it's a gas model the gas port and O-ring can be the cause of the problem as well.
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    I can't remember who built this gun for Sears but I think it's a spring operated semi. I also think the magazine spring is the problem after fieldstriping the gun last night and cleaning and lubing everything. Thanks everyone for all your help.

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    Give me the model number (it will normally be two or three digits, a decimal point, then more numbers. (Example: 215.4576))

    I will look it up tomorrow and tell you who made it and what model it would have been under manufacturer name. This way if you needs parts, you know what to buy for.


    I am leaning towards Rob's assesment, but I will know more later pending that number.
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    J.C. Higgins Model 60
    Sears. Roebuck and co. 583.62

    that's all it says on the gun. it's a 2 3/4 inch chamber.

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    Can you manually cycle it? I worked on one that had the bolt guide plum worn out. The guy had a live shell in the chamber and couldn't open the bolt. The solution to that is to press the bolt toward the left of the gun to reseat it on the guide and that should unstick it enough that it will cycle manually.

    Can you get me a closeup of that bolt?

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    That sounds just like a 20 gauge I repaired for my supervisor. This is going to sound dumb, but what type of load are you using? And how is the recoil system set? (I'm not sure if I'm describing it right, I'm talking about the little switch at the forward end of the tube magazine.) Make sure if you're using a light load, that it is set to light.

    If that's not it, just do a good field strip, clean out the foregrip and everything in there well and see how it goes.

    But like Josh said, can we see some better pictures?
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    Have you tried the Sears people. They keep quite a bit of information on anything they sell. Also try the web site for Brownells they might have a schematic available and parts too.
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    Honestly, exept general cleaning I haven't fooled with the gun in a while and I can't remember if it will manualy cycle. I know it isn't frozen up and I can load and unload the chamber. Tonight I will try to manuly cycle the gun and get some better pics. I couldn't bring it to work today or ever.( Goverment Bld. totaly secure with metal detectors and it's own police dept.) Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joleary223 View Post
    J.C. Higgins Model 60
    Sears. Roebuck and co. 583.62

    that's all it says on the gun. it's a 2 3/4 inch chamber.
    I tried all of my sources (why it took so long, sorry), and turned up nothing. None of my cross reference lists show that particular number. I was able to find a range of numbers that encompass your model number (583.62), but they were for a High Standard 20 pump.

    The JCH M#60 doesn't even show up.

    I will try to keep looking. If we can figure it out, I will put it on my cross reference list to keep it updated.
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