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Pump vs Double barrel shotgun for all round use.

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    Here in Kansas upland bird hunting is a much revered event and I settled on SXS & O/U shotguns years ago. Nothing wrong wit pump's in fact I love 'em! But the way we hunt western Kansas is walking fields fence line to fence line. Blockers at the end of the hunted field have pic-ups that drive the other hunters to the next spot which can be anywhere from a quarter mile to several miles depending on what crops are planted, what areas we have permission hunt and so on.

    Seems like your always unloading your gun to cross a fence or get a vehicle, so moving the top lever to the right breaking the gun and plucking the shells out with frozen fingers has always been easier for me with a double than the pump or auto drill. When clearing the round out the chamber about half the time I drop it in the sand, mud or snow.
    Also when at the end of the drive when everyone standing around B. S ing & catching there breath its comforting and just good manners to see the guns broken open & unloaded.

    As far as the guns themselves go, yes pumps offer more firepower but truthfully I rarely fire more than twice no matter what I'm hunting with, if a bird goes down I mark him immediately and try not to take my eyes off until the dogs or I have the bird in hand. Its rare that I ever have the opportunity to fire more than twice, but yes, It does happen!
    I love the fact I can change loads from quail to pheasant quickly and having two different chokes on hand has been a godsend at times. 71/2's in the open choke 4's 5's or 6's in the tighter choke. (I live to obsess over shot size & chokes!)

    Nothing feels better in my hands than a good SXS or O/U. I swear my Beretta 12 bore Silver Hawk points like the finger of God and If she were a woman she would be Gisele Bundchen !
    All that said I still want to hunt a season with a Winchester model 12 16 gauge and another season with a Belgian round knob Auto 5 20 gauge.

    For me anyway its more about hunt than the gun, but whether a guy is shooting clays or hunting game if your hunting with a gun that trips your trigger then pulling the trigger is all the more fun!
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    i kinda like this one

    DP-12 Double Barrel Pump Shotgun - Standard Mfg. Co. LLC

    not so sure about "general" use. might not work so great for wrabbits, or geese. but plenty of ammo to work with.
    more a home defense product.
    in a bull pup setting, but has a long tube. can use chokes. aiming for the long shot???
    just dropped a couple grand on a couple new guns, so have to wait to buy this. (report when i can). any out there held/shot one yet?
    interesting to see if a semi-auto comes out. might be a bit heavy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by packnrat View Post
    i kinda like this one

    DP-12 Double Barrel Pump Shotgun - Standard Mfg. Co. LLC

    not so sure about "general" use. might not work so great for wrabbits, or geese. but plenty of ammo to work with.
    more a home defense product.
    in a bull pup setting, but has a long tube. can use chokes. aiming for the long shot???
    just dropped a couple grand on a couple new guns, so have to wait to buy this. (report when i can). any out there held/shot one yet?
    interesting to see if a semi-auto comes out. might be a bit heavy.


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    i got a ksg before this came out and like it. ksg are about half that price so unless street prices for this are substantially lower i'd not see that much value.

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    1. My step-father's old Winchester Model 12 pump allows one to hold the trigger and keep pumping, firing repeatedly without moving one's trigger finger.
    2. When cleaning my late father's Browning Semi-auto shotgun, I noticed the plastic rod that appears to limit the shotgun to 3 rounds is easily removed. I haven't tried it yet as the ranges won't allow shotguns and I don't have a place to test it. But it appears I could load considerably more than just three which I would for home defense (not for hunting).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportymonk View Post
    1. My step-father's old Winchester Model 12 pump allows one to hold the trigger and keep pumping, firing repeatedly without moving one's trigger finger.
    2. When cleaning my late father's Browning Semi-auto shotgun, I noticed the plastic rod that appears to limit the shotgun to 3 rounds is easily removed. I haven't tried it yet as the ranges won't allow shotguns and I don't have a place to test it. But it appears I could load considerably more than just three which I would for home defense (not for hunting).
    Just for future reference, the plastic rod is known as a "duck plug" and is used to limit shotgun magazine capacity for migratory bird hunting. Just in case you didn't know.
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    I bought for my first gun, a Mossberg 590 from Big 5, because I was married and had a baby on the way and I am responsible for them and our safety. Not from a gun family, though they had no problems with them, just not blessed in that way. I think I will always have this particular gun and for most home needs it seems to fit the bill.

    I absolutely love the look of a coach gun. The o/u looks neat too, but I just love the coach gun look. I think it would be a great truck or travel companion as they are generally shorter. I like the idea of possibly having exposed hammers as well. Never sure of how many shots something may take, so the 9 in the Mossberg is comforting. For "single combat" a nice coach gun would be fine by me.

    Sorry Gman, got to reading posts and forgot the OP. I think a sxs balances so darn well. I have never shot one, but for moving about or being in a somewhat confined space, it seems like it would be the bees knees if one is able to reload efficiently. My hope with the Mossberg was not having to reload. I do not hunt, so I am only conidering defensive applications.
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    Thanks for all the replies and opinions guys.

    After reading , and thinking, I believe desire is going to outweigh sheer purpose here, and I'm leaning heavily towards a sxs.

    There is just something about ejecting shells from 2 smoking tubes, and plunking in 2 more, with that aroma of smoke rising up to your nostrils that just defy logic....kinda the way racking the lever on a saddle gun or the clicking of the hammer back on a SAA is just pure pleasure.

    I have no idea what brand I will end with, but it doesn't have to be a short barrel coach gun.
    I kinda like the looks of that big stick the fella in the western Appaloosa carried around:)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonCents View Post
    i got a ksg before this came out and like it. ksg are about half that price so unless street prices for this are substantially lower i'd not see that much value.
    have not seen this one going for under $1200.usd in my area.

    some lgs just want to pay the mortgage off one gun sale.

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    but good single tube pump in a pit-bull stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Thanks for all the replies and opinions guys.

    After reading , and thinking, I believe desire is going to outweigh sheer purpose here, and I'm leaning heavily towards a sxs.

    There is just something about ejecting shells from 2 smoking tubes, and plunking in 2 more, with that aroma of smoke rising up to your nostrils that just defy logic....kinda the way racking the lever on a saddle gun or the clicking of the hammer back on a SAA is just pure pleasure.

    I have no idea what brand I will end with, but it doesn't have to be a short barrel coach gun.
    I kinda like the looks of that big stick the fella in the western Appaloosa carried around:)
    do i hear a banjo in the background?


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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Thanks for all the replies and opinions guys.

    After reading , and thinking, I believe desire is going to outweigh sheer purpose here, and I'm leaning heavily towards a sxs.

    There is just something about ejecting shells from 2 smoking tubes, and plunking in 2 more, with that aroma of smoke rising up to your nostrils that just defy logic....kinda the way racking the lever on a saddle gun or the clicking of the hammer back on a SAA is just pure pleasure.

    I have no idea what brand I will end with, but it doesn't have to be a short barrel coach gun.
    I kinda like the looks of that big stick the fella in the western Appaloosa carried around:)
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    GMan,

    If you're hankerin' for a SxS, I would check out CZ's offerings. I hear pretty good reviews about them and they are reasonably priced (for SxS's). I inherited a nice Beretta 686 SxS 12 gauge from my father. 26" barrels, screw in chokes. Actually, he gave it to me years before he passed. It has been a bird hunters dream with IC in the first barrel, and M in the second barrel.

    But, my most versatile shotgun has been my Old Remington 870 Super Magnum. It came with the 26" Rem Choke barrel and I later added a 21" Rem Choke barrel to the mix. With that 21" and the IC choke it is quick and deadly on woodcock, quail, and rabbits. With the 26" M ducks, doves, and squirrels catch hell.

    That 21" IC ain't too shabby for self defense either, and with the plug removed it's a 5 shooter.

    Although that Beretta SxS is a super fine gun, and valued at probably 4 times the 870 value, if I could only have one....I'd likely go with the old 870. As a side note though. I'd be just as happy with the regular 870 Magnum (3"), with the same barrel configuration, as I never use 3 1/2" shells anymore, and haven't for years. But 20 years ago when I bought mine, all the goose hunters said "you gotta have 3 1/2"". After years of experience I find that 3" do just as well or better. And 95% of my hunting is with 2 3/4" shells !!!!

    This is it leaning on the log on the side of me on a woodcock hunt the other day.

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    +1 on the CZ! A lot of bang for the buck!
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    Well, I am not one of those "shoot to kill" people. So I advocate "winging them in the arm" for defensive purposes. That said...I am now in my 60's and my eyesight is not as keen as it used to once be. So, I need 5-6 shots of 00 buck to make sure I hit the guys arm correctly..thereby thwarting any threat. So, while I like a double barrel SG....it simply doesn't have the necessary capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doogie View Post
    Well, I am not one of those "shoot to kill" people. So I advocate "winging them in the arm" for defensive purposes. That said...I am now in my 60's and my eyesight is not as keen as it used to once be. So, I need 5-6 shots of 00 buck to make sure I hit the guys arm correctly..thereby thwarting any threat. So, while I like a double barrel SG....it simply doesn't have the necessary capacity.
    But it does have the necessary versatility, which is more important to me than a strictly defensive use, which a shotty, would not be for my first choice anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsteve113 View Post
    GMan,

    If you're hankerin' for a SxS, I would check out CZ's offerings. I hear pretty good reviews about them and they are reasonably priced (for SxS's). I inherited a nice Beretta 686 SxS 12 gauge from my father. 26" barrels, screw in chokes. Actually, he gave it to me years before he passed. It has been a bird hunters dream with IC in the first barrel, and M in the second barrel.

    But, my most versatile shotgun has been my Old Remington 870 Super Magnum. It came with the 26" Rem Choke barrel and I later added a 21" Rem Choke barrel to the mix. With that 21" and the IC choke it is quick and deadly on woodcock, quail, and rabbits. With the 26" M ducks, doves, and squirrels catch hell.

    That 21" IC ain't too shabby for self defense either, and with the plug removed it's a 5 shooter.

    Although that Beretta SxS is a super fine gun, and valued at probably 4 times the 870 value, if I could only have one....I'd likely go with the old 870. As a side note though. I'd be just as happy with the regular 870 Magnum (3"), with the same barrel configuration, as I never use 3 1/2" shells anymore, and haven't for years. But 20 years ago when I bought mine, all the goose hunters said "you gotta have 3 1/2"". After years of experience I find that 3" do just as well or better. And 95% of my hunting is with 2 3/4" shells !!!!

    This is it leaning on the log on the side of me on a woodcock hunt the other day.

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    Steve, it just so happens the CZ is right up there on my list!
    As always, thanks for your input.
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