Which one and why?
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I am considering an AK vs. an M1 Carbine. I know that I am talking “apples and oranges”, but I’m just ...
October 13th, 2007 09:45 PM
Which one and why?
Which one and why?
I am considering an AK vs. an M1 Carbine. I know that I am talking “apples and oranges”, but I’m just not so sure that they are that much different for my purposes. I am looking for a reasonably accurate carbine for shooting at ranges of 250 yards and less. I have an M1 Carbine that I still have not decided whether or not I like, the but stock is about 1 inch too short for my comfort, but it is reasonably accurate and the .30 Carbine round performs better than most people seem to think. It is also light weight and VERY easy to maneuver.
The two things that concern me about the M1 are, as I mentioned, the stock is a bit shorter than I prefer (I think it is referred to as “reach” but am not sure) and as I look at ammo pricing I am just not finding a whole lot of it out there while I see 7.62x39 ammo everywhere in large quantities.
So here is the question….. For CQB out to about 250 yards which one would you choose, and why (The AR is just not an option, I cannot afford even a base model)?
Any opinions welcome.
October 13th, 2007 09:48 PM
I'd go with the AK,
- Parts availability
- Future upgrades
- Ammo availability
- Mags are cheap
Also, I don't think the M1 Carbines have made any "lists", get an AK now, and keep the M1, they are really handy rifles.
Edited to add, if you need to sell your M1 Carbine, I NEED to buy it
October 13th, 2007 09:53 PM
I agree with JD. I would have a hard time selling an M1 though to replace it with an AK.
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October 13th, 2007 10:41 PM
Thanks for the replies!
No question about it, the M1 Carbine isn’t going anywhere. It has no collectable value since it is a BlueSky “Import” and it has been rebuilt, but it is a fun little gun and I will keep it regardless.
It’s just that I have this thing about having a backup. Sooooo I will either get a second M1 Carbine or I will get 2 AK type rifles. I could get the two AK rifles for just about $150.00 - $200.00 more than I could get the second M1. That I could justify (I can get the Lancaster for about $450.00 or maybe a tad bit less while a new Auto-Ordinance M1 is a bit over $600.00).
I had not thought about the parts availability, but I have noticed the disparity in the ammo availability.
One more point in favor of the AK…
October 13th, 2007 11:09 PM
Of the two, I'd got with the AK, but only because of cartridge performance and no other reason...... I had one, sold it (didn't care for it)....bought it as a close range deer rifle; shot patterns.....not groups.....at 50 yards. Ammo is cheap and readily available, but most if it is from 3rd world countries, and quite frankly, after all the crap with the lead paint from China, I don't think I'll be putting that ammo in ANY of my guns anytime soon!
....Also, with regards to the short stock you were previously talking about....you might want to avoid the Chicom models; the one I had was a tad shorter than those made in the eastern bloc countries. Just a word of caveat emptor.
October 14th, 2007 12:24 AM
This is the same thing I have been thinking about and AR, AK, and M1 have all been on my list. I have been leaning hard towards the AR.
The lead paint comment confuses me. Most bullets I buy are lead based.
October 14th, 2007 12:55 AM
BlackJack, that statement speaks volumes for buying an AK. Also, the 7.62 can still be bought at a fairly reasonable price. Keep your M1 and get a couple of AK's. Your M1 definately has it's place in the scheme of things.
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October 14th, 2007 01:08 AM
I like the M1 Carbine better than the AK which is neither fish nor fowl to me. The M1 Carbine is light and handy, better balanced, stows easily, is dead reliably, and spare parts are still available. Saw some quite reasonably priced .30 Carbine ammo at the Fort Worth gun show today. If I require more "pop" than a .30 Carbine can deliver I'll reach for the M1 or M1A rather than an intermediate cartridge.
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October 14th, 2007 12:08 PM
Call me traditional because I would choose the M1. My Carbine truly handles like a dream...short reach and all. Much easier to stow and lug around. Plus it is an very quick and easy handling little gun. The power of a .30 Carbine round is on par with a very stout .357 Magnum. While definitely not up in the rifle power region, for the package...it is not too bad in my opinion. Inside the distances you have described, the M1 Carbine would do quite well.
Last edited by Creature; October 14th, 2007 at 01:52 PM.
October 14th, 2007 02:48 PM
I say AK too. The .30 Carbine just won't do it for out to 250 yards. Great for HD but the round just doesn't have much power for a rifle.
October 14th, 2007 02:52 PM
250 yards or less? No way with the 30 Carbine! Ak it out and buy it with all the goodies like a folding stock, bayonet, Ak74 type muzzlebrake and a grab bag of high cap mags!
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October 15th, 2007 03:19 AM
Buy the 2 AKs now and save up and get another M1 Carbine later, better to have redundancy in backup.
October 15th, 2007 06:18 AM
Ak's have short stocks too, so be prepared to buy aftermarket furniture.
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October 15th, 2007 03:01 PM
At 250 yards I think I'd want something I could mount a scope on easily. Neither the M1 carbine or the AK is something I'd want to depend on at 250 yards. As much as it pains me to say, of the two, the AK is probably more suited to that distance, though.
October 16th, 2007 03:43 PM
I agree with AutoFan
Originally Posted by AutoFan
I personally think the M1 carbine at 200+ is beyond its effective range for anything but plinking. As for the AK it is effective at 200+ if you have one that is accurate enough at that range, something mine wasn't. It was traded for an AR.
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