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I'm confused short barrel shotguns

This is a discussion on I'm confused short barrel shotguns within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by OPFOR Scot, the minimum overall length for shotguns and rifles is 26". Thanks, OP!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Scot, the minimum overall length for shotguns and rifles is 26".
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    If you want an effective shottie...why not just get a coach gun? An 18 inch barrel will do everything a 14" can do...and no special license is needed...no problems at all (depending upon your own state laws).

    I can hang on to mine with one hand hanging down, and it doesn't touch the ground...easy to move around the house with it, too!

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    State laws also play into what you can own.
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    fate?

    I think it might've been meant to be... Not 1 hour after reading this post, I went for a wander through my friendly local pawnshop, they have a used pistol-grip Mossberg w/ 18" barrel for like $150..! Should I be buying myself a toy 2 weeks before Christmas? No. Am I going back after work to tempt myself? Definately. Am I taking the darn thing home with me tonite..? Probably..... Not to steal the thread, but any advice of things to check before buying a used shottie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supertac45 View Post
    State laws also play into what you can own.

    Exactly! For example... IIRC only 35 states allow you to own a "Sound Suppressor" whether you have a federal tax stamp or not!

    Missouri is not one of those 35 states! *sigh*
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    I think I would rather have a rifle than a short shotgun, and a pistol over the 3 shot shottie
    For this, I would direct you to post #18. That's a 10 round mag on there, and 20 round drums are out, as well, with an 8 or 10 in. barrel.

    On that note, I can't believe it took until post #18 for a Tromix Saiga to show up!
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    Is the $200 stamp yearly or one-time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alyehoud View Post
    Is the $200 stamp yearly or one-time?
    Only at time of transfer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chooie View Post
    Only at time of transfer.
    Is it possible to get a stamp to be able to shorten the barrel? (Versus buying it already shortened)

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    Yes.

    When you buy an SBS (Short-Barreled Shotgun) you fill out a Form 4 - an application to transfer an NFA item. You go through the paperwork, fingerprints, Chief Law Enforcement Officer signoff, etc.

    If you want to just chop the barrel, you fill out a Form 1. Same hoops to jump through, except the application is actually to make "Manufacture" an NFA item. You go through all the steps, wait for the verification. Once you get it back, you can shorten the barrel. There's nothing preventing you from taking a hacksaw to the barrel, but you could have a gunsmith do it (and I would.)

    Either one still costs you $200, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBear View Post
    Yes.

    When you buy an SBS (Short-Barreled Shotgun) you fill out a Form 4 - an application to transfer an NFA item. You go through the paperwork, fingerprints, Chief Law Enforcement Officer signoff, etc.

    If you want to just chop the barrel, you fill out a Form 1. Same hoops to jump through, except the application is actually to make "Manufacture" an NFA item. You go through all the steps, wait for the verification. Once you get it back, you can shorten the barrel. There's nothing preventing you from taking a hacksaw to the barrel, but you could have a gunsmith do it (and I would.)

    Either one still costs you $200, though.

    Thanks! I was there yesterday and couldn't find any forms.

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    Question I'm new to this forum, and do not wish to be a troll.

    I guess that technically, I am trolling, because I joined, simply because of this thread. But, as an Oklahoma SDA (pistol carrying permit) Instructor, I expect that I may get active in the forums.
    I was brought here, while searching for information on the federal law regarding shotgun dimensions, and what constitutes an SBS, AOW, or normal everyday weapon.
    You see, yesterday, I got an email about a new offering from Mossberg, the 590 Shockwave "Non-NFA" shotgun:
    First Look: Mossberg 590 Shockwave Non-NFA Firearm | Gun Digest.
    I realize that this thread is ten years old, and as was mentioned above, the laws are dynamic, not static. They change every year. But, I have heard nothing about any changes to NFA having actually been passed and signed into law, and thus, I am concerned with how the good folks at Gun Digest, and Mossberg, arrive at this new offering being Non-NFA.
    Certainly with an overall length of 26.5" it fills that bill. But, with a 14" barrel, it would seem to be NFA.
    As a manufacturer, it seems, from reading his post earlier in the thread, I would be very interested to hear from Scot Van, or anyone else who is intimately familiar with the laws for what "must be", to be legal, in this particular category.
    Has Mossberg found a heretofore undiscovered "loophole" in the law? Long enough to not be an AOW, shorter barrel length than a long gun. Does that mean this is classified as a pistol?

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    Has Mossberg found a heretofore undiscovered "loophole" in the law? Long enough to not be an AOW, shorter barrel length than a long gun. Does that mean this is classified as a pistol?
    No.

    It is classed as a shotgun because it meets the minimum "OAL" (over all length) requirements.
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