Why is the Steyr-AUG design not more popular?

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    Why is the Steyr-AUG design not more popular?

    I always thought the Steyr-AUG was an ingenious design. Allowed for a standard barrel yet the gun was pretty compact. However, I do not see this as a very popular gun.

    Perhaps the military and LEO folk on this forum can tell me why this design just hasn't seem to catch on.

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    Some militaries like them. Great Britian uses a SA80 and Isreal is developing a Tavor bullpup. FN has also designed a few.
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    Kel-tec is coming out with a 308 bull pup this year. Their website has a video and pamplet on it and it looks pretty good.

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    I have been fortunate enough to talk to some guys in US Army weapons development. Their take on why we don't have one is very simply because it was too radical. Someone came up with a very limited run of bullpup rifles that had 100% internal components interchangeability with the M16 Series sometime in the mid '80s. It functioned exactly the same used most of the same parts, was ambidextrous, was the same weight and had a flat top for sights or optics. It was a better weapon. It was not even looked at beacuse it didn't look like a rifle. It looked like a ray gun.

    In this country it is often said that so goes the military, so goes the police, so goes the public. AR15s would not be anywhere near as popular if the system wasn't in use by the largest military force in the western world for more than 40 years. If the military had picked up the Steyr AUG or any other bulpup they would be more popular in the public. Simple as that.

    The AUG is a great rifle. Or at least it was 20 years ago. Nowadays it is too heavy. It weighs more than 9 pounds, and its optics are not the greatest compared to todays glass. Its magazines are not as reliable as they could be and the barrel is too easily removeable. It also requires tools to break down to the level that we are accustomed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptd View Post

    In this country it is often said that so goes the military, so goes the police, so goes the public. AR15s would not be anywhere near as popular if the system wasn't in use by the largest military force in the western world for more than 40 years. If the military had picked up the Steyr AUG or any other bulpup they would be more popular in the public. Simple as that.


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    And there is the answer. FWIW, I really dont like the AUG at all. Its to goofy for me.
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    From an operational point of view, it is not the easiest weapon to "run". That goes for all of the bull pup design. The location of the mag well and the charging handle make the reduction of stoppages and reloads slower. The AR design with the mag well just in front of the grip make things a bit easier.
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    Microtech MSAR is producing the STG-556; American-made Steyr, essentially. "Ergonomics" is the typical cry with any different weapon system. If you try to run an AK like an AR (or vice-versa) you'll have a rough time. AUGs had some issues which MSAR has (supposedly, according to SAR, and SAR is usually pretty squared away) adequately and properly addressed. New mags, new polymer, hard points for rail mounts, rail upper & fluted barrels. MSAR is pretty much on price-point, which unfortunately higher than mine, at the moment.

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    Yeah, the Steyr AUG is an interesting design. But shooting one, day-in/day-out is kinda' "aug"ward. The compact length doesn't overcome the "chunkiness" between your hands. I spent W-I-D-E to own one, gave it more than every chance to WOW me, and sold it to someone who (like me) hoped it would be as cool as it looked. It isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knuckledrager View Post
    From an operational point of view, it is not the easiest weapon to "run". That goes for all of the bull pup design. The location of the mag well and the charging handle make the reduction of stoppages and reloads slower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cptd View Post
    Someone came up with a very limited run of bullpup rifles that had 100% internal components interchangeability with the M16 Series sometime in the mid '80s.
    I've considered one of these. The appeal is the long barrel in a short gun.

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    Bull-pups suck because you can't reload fast or clear jams. Just because it looks like a spaceship doesn't mean its a good gun...JMO

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    I love shooting my PS90...it's not hard to load/chamber/shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunndw View Post
    I love shooting my PS90...it's not hard to load/chamber/shoot.
    but doesn't that fall into the SMG or PDW slot, not bullpup style rifle/carbine?
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    I think he was referring to my spaceship comment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. orange View Post
    but doesn't that fall into the SMG or PDW slot, not bullpup style rifle/carbine?
    ya know...I'm not sure. I've thought of it as a bullpup design.



    There's enough similarities to call them both bullpups, but there's enough differences to separate them as well
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