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    Hey, everybody, just got my POWER back from the first strike of Katrina down in Miami although we are still waiting to hear about family in Slidell LA and it doesn't look good...AT ALL.

    Anyway, I had one of the FABLED "GREEN GUNS" of the AR15 type and I sold it in '93 for about...well enough to buy THREE new assault rifles (semiauto, not full...but I coulda bought ONE of those with the $$) I'm in a "will" to get an oldie CAR15 style and that could happen anytime. The AR is not bad, but I MUCH prefer the M1A, especially in SOCOM 16 with picatinny rail and ACOG or Holosight. I have a Ruger Mini14 with the rare Factory Folding Stock that I may sell or trade for the SOCOM16. This is a good idea for me since it cuts down on different mag requirements. I already have a SUPERMATCH M1A that I had tuned by ROBAR for "Reach Out & Touch" capability. I kept a ton of M16 mags, so I'm ready to take possession of the rifle, eventually. And I have several thousand rounds of both .308 and .223 ammo.
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    For me it boiled down to weight. As a specialized platform with my night vision scope, the AR weighed less than my FAL without it. It's pretty well the only reason I own one, besides the fact that I finally found a carbine that didn't look like it was growing an extra-long nose in the barrel area to comply with the 16" minimum: the RRA midlength uppers.

    The three I've owned over the years (and I'm not selling one this time, as I finally actually found a purpose for it other than range toy) have all been flawless beasts if fed the right ammo and cleaned occasionally. I'm not fond of the round and my preferred platform for launching is the FAL, but for what it is, it's a nice range toy and moderately effective carbine-type beast.

    It'll also put one hole groups boringly consistently if you're in to that sort of thing.

    And it has functional 100 round drums available. ;)

    I don't particularly like the weapon, but I have enough rifles that I'm allowed to have ones I only sometimes enjoy. The linked essay is mostly hyperbole, and I say that as someone who has converted many an AR-o-phile to the FAL dark side.
    Driver carries less than $45 worth of remorse.

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    Currently I own 3.
    Ive got two in .223 and one in .300 whisper.

    Pros...

    Any body with half a clue can take one apart, put it in a bag,shake it up and eventually figure out how it goes back together.

    They are modular weapons. Dont like the issue stock ? Take it off and put a collapsible on it. Ther are at least 3 gazillion aftermarket items for AR's. Sights, triggers mods,forearms, you name it, its out there.

    Barrel lengths go anywhere from 6 inches to 24" in every configuration known to man.

    You can make it look cool, or you can make it look like you are a total gadget geek and hang 50 pounds of accessorys off of it.

    You can get it in a dozen different calibers and still have basically the same platform.

    Break something ? Take it out and replace the part. Can be done in a few minutes. Shot out barrel ? Take it off, throw it in the lake and put a new one on it. With the right tools it wont take over 30 minutes even for the mechanically challenged.

    Spectacular kills on armadillos that are suitable for digital cameras with video that jsut be to be distributed on the internet...


    Cons...

    pipsqueak varmint round.
    Not good for deer.
    Can be persnickety about ammo.
    Requires maintenance to remain reliable.
    Looks kind of ugly.
    Magazines are easily rendered useless.
    Feared by liberal politicians and other with an antigun phobia.
    tiny little round .22 bullet
    hard to see holes in target at more than 25 yards.
    addictive,causing one to spend way too much on ammo
    itty bitty caliber :AR15firin

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    OOOOOooooh HotGuns: What are the pros and cons of the AR15 in .300 Whisper and who makes that one? Any idea of the $$$?
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    Yep.

    Model One Sales.

    Cost me 335 for a 16 inch top half.

    They call it the ."300 Fireball " because JDJones devoloped it and has the patent on the .300 "Whisper" name.

    Pros..

    30 caliber
    can shoot from 110 to 220 grainer
    good for deer
    can be loaded to subsonic for suppressors or supersonic for hard hitting
    uses existing AR mags and bolt
    easy to swap out upper halves
    easy to reload

    Cons..
    Ammo is hard to get
    ammo is expensive

    You can get in any configuration you want...
    heres a link..Model 1 Sales

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    HotGuns: Where can you get .300 Whisper ammo and how much does it cost by box and case?
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    Ive never bought any so I cant say.
    I make my own.

    I cut .223 cases off at the neck then run them through a Redding sizing die. Then I trim them to the same length.Thats all it takes.

    I modified a key cutting machine and put a slitting disk on it and made a vise to hold the cases. It takes about 4 secons to cut one off and its repeatable to a couple of thousanths of an inch.

    I usually use 220 grain Sierra Match bullets. It takesa 1 in 8 twist barrel to properly stabilize them. Most .30 barrels are a 1 in 10 and only work up to about 180 when things go subsonic. The Model 1 Sales barrels are 1 in 8 for that very reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns
    Ive never bought any so I cant say.
    I make my own.

    I cut .223 cases off at the neck then run them through a Redding sizing die. Then I trim them to the same length.Thats all it takes.

    I modified a key cutting machine and put a slitting disk on it and made a vise to hold the cases. It takes about 4 secons to cut one off and its repeatable to a couple of thousanths of an inch.

    I usually use 220 grain Sierra Match bullets. It takesa 1 in 8 twist barrel to properly stabilize them. Most .30 barrels are a 1 in 10 and only work up to about 180 when things go subsonic. The Model 1 Sales barrels are 1 in 8 for that very reason.
    Damn...too much work for me. ANYBODY out there have a source on ammo in .300 Whisper? Or maybe a link to JDJ? Do they sell the ammo?

    BTW, what does a normal pressure load sound like in .300 Whisper? How about a subsonic load (UNsuppressed)?
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    A round moving around 2200 FPS sounds about like a 30-30 going off.
    An unsuppressed round that is subsonic sounds not to much different but certainly not enough to hurt your ears.

    What suprises people about the suppressed rounds are the strike of the bullet hitting the target. Most people have never heard a bullet strike.
    If you take a brick and thow it against a 4x8 sheet of plywood that is leaning up against a tree...thats about what a 220 grainer sounds like when it hits a hard target. Muzzle noise is about like a pellet rifle.

    I know of one source that sells cases. Ill look it up and find the link.

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