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    I went with .223. Cheaper ammo and mags, less recoil for my broke down body to absorb.
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    If I'm only allowed one, it's gotta be .223 (5.56x45, actually). .308 is a great caliber, but it's just too dang heavy. If I lived in mountain lion country it might be different, but if the SHTF, the biggest thing I might have to use my rifle on is a human, and .223 will do just fine for that. Being smaller, lighter, less recoil, and with a smaller, lighter rifle as well are all big plusses.
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    I voted for .223 Remington (specifically 5.56 x 45). At close range, the 5.56 is quite capable for my needs (close to intermediate up to 200 yards). Plus, as a home defense weapon, the 5.56 really can't be beat, as each member of my family can handle it without any difficulty.

    I have practical experience both in combat with the 5.56 and in carbine classes. As much as I love my .308 (7.62 x 51) chambered rifles, the current expense of surplus ammunition means I'm keeping what Australian and Portuguese ammunition I have as a "rainy day" stock. I've gotten my reloading costs of 5.56 down to about .13 cents per round, so I'm a bit happier.
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    I went with .223 due to ammunition capacity, both in the magazine and carried on the person.

    It worked for me for 8 years in the Army with the M16A1 and M16A2, it works for me on duty with the no-name AR15 carbine and my 6-magazine "go bag", and it works for me at home with my Colt AR15A3 and a dozen mags.

    Yes, .308 turns most "cover" into concealment.
    Yes, .308 has a longer effective range.
    Yes, .308 has far more energy.

    But .223 is plenty enough for what I need it to do, which is to deal with a handful at most of un-, poorly-, or moderately-trained armed knuckleheads at close to intermediate range.

    Let's face it, if you're going up against Spetsnaz, Delta, the Chinese Red Army, or even the Lower Slobovian Auxiliary National Guard, you are SCREWED anyway. Even if you COULD have weapons superior to theirs, there's a lot more of THEM than there is of YOU.

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    Actually neither. 308 kicks too hard, 223 kicks too little. 7.62x39 black AK. Uuuummm. Just right.
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    I have one of each but for knock down power and accuracy and longer range
    I prefer the 308
    for control and quicker target acquisition I would have to go with 556

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    LMAO, seems anyone who ever had to lug 800 rounds of .308 feels the same as I do, I love .308 but if I can only have one EBR .223 gets the vote mags are easier to come by, and I have lots of them already.

    PS opfor,, what you do in rip that made them slat you EB possition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupcake View Post
    I voted .308, but that is assuming I could afford an adequate amount of ammo for practice and stockpiling. My reasoning is that I want it to do double duty as a deer rifle, and I like to very long range capability. If is was for ONLY defensive reasons, I'd probably go with the 5.56, as the ammo is cheaper and the round has plenty of punch, especially if you've got HPs.
    I agree 100%. It is illegal to hunt deer or elk in Colorado with a .223, so if hunting is important and you could only own one, it would have to be a .308.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Unless your game weighs less than 50 lbs... Then you have a big, heavy, unwieldy rabbit/squirrel pulverizer...

    Also, set up as a sniper rifle, how effective do you think it will be for self defence at across the room (or even across the yard) ranges? Knocking down an elk at 700m is great, but is that what you're going to use your one and only rifle in a SHTF scenario for most often?

    I answer the question regarding only having one rifle. I presume, I would still be allowed to stash a pistol with that rifle.

    SO, I think of it this way:

    50 yards or less is pistol range, outside of 50 yards, give me a rifle, that will shoot sub MOA, and Iím very happy.


    Sure, wheeling a heavy 8-lb sniper rifle around is difficult, but thatís what I learned with.

    A few years ago, I had two custom feather weights Winchester 270 build, that including scope weigh under 7-lbs.

    They shoot sub MOA, and I normally hunt deer and wild boar from stands that Iíve built a rifle rest into. Looking down power lines, and private roads, taking deer size game at 3-400 yards is common place.


    Thinking about your statement, I think Iíll also stash a 10-22 Ruger rifle for small game.

    Thanks,

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    I have both, a Ar 5.56 for close quaters, and a FN FAL to reach out and touch someone. Most 308 are larger than a AR and have more recoil, BUT 5.56 loses in the long range shooting. Just get both. I did not vote as youdid not have a both choice....
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    .9mm would be my choice because I am set up for reloading .9mm, my preferred handgun is the same caliber, availability, and cost. I'm willing to give up a little power for ammo consistency and price.
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    I picked .308, actually I like the 7.62x39

    I like the 7.62x39 AK round. It is essentually in the same class as .308. It seems to be a popular bullet size (.308 .300 Win Mag, 30-30, 30-06...). That being said, my experience is limited, just looking at history of rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southtexas View Post
    LMAO, seems anyone who ever had to lug 800 rounds of .308 feels the same as I do, I love .308 but if I can only have one EBR .223 gets the vote mags are easier to come by, and I have lots of them already.

    PS opfor,, what you do in rip that made them slat you EB possition?
    I made out pretty well - the other RIPees that came to my Company went to Weapons Platoon and ended up humping mortar baseplates!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcunited View Post
    I like the 7.62x39 AK round. It is essentually in the same class as .308. It seems to be a popular bullet size (.308 .300 Win Mag, 30-30, 30-06...). That being said, my experience is limited, just looking at history of rounds.
    I don't know who told you the 7.62x39 is essentially in the same class as the .308 Winchester, but they are wrong. Same school maybe but definitely not the same class. It's ballistics are much closer to the 30-30. Not saying it is a bad round, just that it was not designed to do what the .308 was. In fact it is quite respectable in its role. But I would not realistically attempt shots with it that I can routinely make with .308
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