.223 Vs .308
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March 19th, 2008 06:00 PM
I went with .223. Cheaper ammo and mags, less recoil for my broke down body to absorb.
March 19th, 2008 09:15 PM
If I'm only allowed one, it's gotta be .223 (5.56x45, actually). .308 is a great caliber, but it's just too dang heavy. If I lived in mountain lion country it might be different, but if the SHTF, the biggest thing I might have to use my rifle on is a human, and .223 will do just fine for that. Being smaller, lighter, less recoil, and with a smaller, lighter rifle as well are all big plusses.
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March 19th, 2008 11:03 PM
When you need to reach out and touch someone...
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March 19th, 2008 11:54 PM
I voted for .223 Remington (specifically 5.56 x 45). At close range, the 5.56 is quite capable for my needs (close to intermediate up to 200 yards). Plus, as a home defense weapon, the 5.56 really can't be beat, as each member of my family can handle it without any difficulty.
I have practical experience both in combat with the 5.56 and in carbine classes. As much as I love my .308 (7.62 x 51) chambered rifles, the current expense of surplus ammunition means I'm keeping what Australian and Portuguese ammunition I have as a "rainy day" stock. I've gotten my reloading costs of 5.56 down to about .13 cents per round, so I'm a bit happier.
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March 20th, 2008 01:34 AM
I went with .223 due to ammunition capacity, both in the magazine and carried on the person.
It worked for me for 8 years in the Army with the M16A1 and M16A2, it works for me on duty with the no-name AR15 carbine and my 6-magazine "go bag", and it works for me at home with my Colt AR15A3 and a dozen mags.
Yes, .308 turns most "cover" into concealment.
Yes, .308 has a longer effective range.
Yes, .308 has far more energy.
But .223 is plenty enough for what I need it to do, which is to deal with a handful at most of un-, poorly-, or moderately-trained armed knuckleheads at close to intermediate range.
Let's face it, if you're going up against Spetsnaz, Delta, the Chinese Red Army, or even the Lower Slobovian Auxiliary National Guard, you are SCREWED anyway. Even if you COULD have weapons superior to theirs, there's a lot more of THEM than there is of YOU.
(assuming, of course, that you don't have Bubba's Bombers close air support on speed-dial....)
March 20th, 2008 08:05 PM
March 21st, 2008 12:20 AM
I have one of each but for knock down power and accuracy and longer range
I prefer the 308
for control and quicker target acquisition I would have to go with 556
March 21st, 2008 01:22 AM
LMAO, seems anyone who ever had to lug 800 rounds of .308 feels the same as I do, I love .308 but if I can only have one EBR .223 gets the vote mags are easier to come by, and I have lots of them already.
PS opfor,, what you do in rip that made them slat you EB possition?
March 21st, 2008 09:29 AM
I agree 100%. It is illegal to hunt deer or elk in Colorado with a .223, so if hunting is important and you could only own one, it would have to be a .308.
Originally Posted by Cupcake
March 21st, 2008 10:10 AM
Originally Posted by OPFOR
I answer the question regarding only having one rifle. I presume, I would still be allowed to stash a pistol with that rifle.
SO, I think of it this way:
50 yards or less is pistol range, outside of 50 yards, give me a rifle, that will shoot sub MOA, and I’m very happy.
Sure, wheeling a heavy 8-lb sniper rifle around is difficult, but that’s what I learned with.
A few years ago, I had two custom feather weights Winchester 270 build, that including scope weigh under 7-lbs.
They shoot sub MOA, and I normally hunt deer and wild boar from stands that I’ve built a rifle rest into. Looking down power lines, and private roads, taking deer size game at 3-400 yards is common place.
Thinking about your statement, I think I’ll also stash a 10-22 Ruger rifle for small game.
March 21st, 2008 10:51 AM
I have both, a Ar 5.56 for close quaters, and a FN FAL to reach out and touch someone. Most 308 are larger than a AR and have more recoil, BUT 5.56 loses in the long range shooting. Just get both. I did not vote as youdid not have a both choice....
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March 22nd, 2008 07:11 AM
.9mm would be my choice because I am set up for reloading .9mm, my preferred handgun is the same caliber, availability, and cost. I'm willing to give up a little power for ammo consistency and price.
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March 22nd, 2008 11:04 AM
I picked .308, actually I like the 7.62x39
I like the 7.62x39 AK round. It is essentually in the same class as .308. It seems to be a popular bullet size (.308 .300 Win Mag, 30-30, 30-06...). That being said, my experience is limited, just looking at history of rounds.
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March 22nd, 2008 01:47 PM
I made out pretty well - the other RIPees that came to my Company went to Weapons Platoon and ended up humping mortar baseplates!
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March 22nd, 2008 10:31 PM
I don't know who told you the 7.62x39 is essentially in the same class as the .308 Winchester, but they are wrong. Same school maybe but definitely not the same class. It's ballistics are much closer to the 30-30. Not saying it is a bad round, just that it was not designed to do what the .308 was. In fact it is quite respectable in its role. But I would not realistically attempt shots with it that I can routinely make with .308
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