July 6th, 2008 10:13 AM
Pump or semi-auto shotgun?
Hi: New guy here. I am thinking about buying a home defense shotgun. I do not currently have a shotgun. What are the pros and cons of a pump v. the Saiga semi auto?
What are the basic, bare necessities for a home defense shotgun (low level sights or a light or laser, sling?) and what load should I buy?
Do I need 12 gauge or is 20 enough stopping power for home defense?
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July 6th, 2008 10:21 AM
You'll get alot of opinions here but I still keep a Benelli M1 Super 90 autoloader stuffed with Federal "low recoil" OO buck, 2-3/4" shells.
I have equipped with the Surefire replacement foreend and a Surfire laser. It also has a BHI cheep pad with the 5 shot shell holder on the opp side with a BHI 3pt sling.
I use the laser due to a poor eye condition in the dominate eye that left me 20/80 in that eye, right hand shooter, bad right eye. The laser allows me the luxury of a "point and shoot" employment in close quarters.
I've got plenty of pump guns also, but I prefer my specific set up.
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July 6th, 2008 10:23 AM
In my opinion, I would go with a 12G pump, like the Remington 870's or Mossbergs. They are reliable, and that first "kerchunk" of loading a round might be enough to scare someone away.
The semis are good... I have a Rem 1100, but they require pampering and diligent cleaning if you shoot with them a lot. There's a piston assembly, and gas blow-back holes that tend to get crudded up if you don't clean it regularly. Also, they are more expensive to start with.
So, for home defense, IMHO, keep the pump accessible, use 0-0 quality shells, and practice at the range, if possible, to get the feel of the gun.
Good luck, stay safe!
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July 6th, 2008 10:40 AM
Same here except I use FED #1 Buck in the chamber and tube, keep Hornady TAP OO on the buttstock, and use an Insight M3X for a light.
Originally Posted by Skygod
I've never had a single malfunction with either of the Benelli's I own. I have short shucked 870s, a BPS and a MOD 12 at one point or another.
July 6th, 2008 12:35 PM
I'd buy the pump... its all about utility and versatility.
July 6th, 2008 01:12 PM
Originally Posted by SIXTO
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July 6th, 2008 01:40 PM
Pump I feel their more reliable.
July 6th, 2008 02:06 PM
My primary HD shotgun is a Benelli M1 Super 90 Tactical. It's backed up by a Benelli Nova H2O and a Winchester Defender. While I'm partial to the semis, you can buy at least 2, maybe 3, good pump guns for the price of a tactical semi-auto. The current Benelli offering, the M4 Tactical, has a MSRP of just over 1600.00. Not saying there aren't other good semi-auto choices, just using the Benelli as an example. The MSRP for the Benelli SuperNova Tactical is 485.00. Three for one with some change for ammo. And not to say that a pump can't break down, but for the most part they are ultra reliable. In short, if I only have one HD shotgun, it would be a pump.
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July 6th, 2008 02:10 PM
Agreed - with one provision: Learn to NOT short-cycle it! I've never experienced this phenomenon, but there is frequent enough discussion of it to warrant mention. Apparently this is the PumpGun equivilent of "limp-wristing" a handgun. I tend to hold the stock (very) firmly against my shoulder with the left hand, while relaxing the right hand for better/faster trigger response. This causes me to reflexively pull the slide all the way to stop when released by the trigger/disconnect, upon firing.
Originally Posted by f8lranger4x4
OTOH I've never bothered playing with a pistol-gripped (no stock) shotty, so I have no recommendations for handling them.
July 6th, 2008 02:19 PM
There's nothing more intimidating than the sound of the raking of a pump shot gun.Pumps are also more reliable and just as fast as a semi when operated by an experienced operator.
July 6th, 2008 02:22 PM
Pump, No 4 buck for close and 00 for 10 yards and out.
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July 6th, 2008 02:52 PM
Buy quality and either will be reliable. That said, pumps are much less expensive. You can use the money you save for practice ammo.
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July 6th, 2008 03:49 PM
Semi autos may not function with all loads, ecpecially light ones.
Pumps will function with whatever you put though it.
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July 6th, 2008 04:17 PM
It really doesn't matter which you get. Personally after researching this very topic myself I'd rather get a pump 12ga based on the fact that they are much less expensive and stupid simple to fix. The most important thing is that you practice with your firearm. Imagine playing your frist baseball game but you didn't make it to any of the practices and you are supposed to pitch. You'll probably suck. Well if someone breaks into your house you want to make sure you can preform when it counts, so even going out once with your new gun will make you infinity better, IMHO, than if you hadn't.
Also after litterally making sure your gun is empty several times and no one is home practice moving through your house. Notice where the cover and concealment is (notice there is a difference) and notice how difficult it is to move that barrel through doorways and down halls.
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July 6th, 2008 06:47 PM
I'd go with the pump myself (remington 870 or Mossberg 500), 20 gauge would probably get the job done, although I prefer 12. Try and get a barrel under 20" if you want this to be a dedicated home defense weapon (minimum legal length you can usually find to buy is 18.5"). And some good ammo.
You don't need to tacti-cool it out, but if you are so inclined the best things to add are a weapon mounted light and a side saddle to hold extra shells.
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