Concerns with using a rifle for home defense

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    I prefer handgun ,less chance of loss control of the muzzle.I also keep a 12gauge pump shotgun.

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    There are a number of studies showing that pistol calibers go through walls worse than 5.56, which is why most CQB teams have switched - it gives them longer range outside, but doesn't overpenetrate structures nearly as bad b/c the round fragments even with FMJ ammo much easier than pistol rounds do, lessening the threat of leathality.

    Now, the 7.62mm is a different monster all together, I woudln't know what to say about it, although to say that it didnt penetrate most structures that I saw hit with them any worse than 5.56 but I haven't seen quality statistics on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vernonator View Post
    Yup....get a decent frangible round and a 5.56 will not penetrate two sheets of drywall.
    Be sure not to buy ammo that is actually "Frangible" - that stuff is designed for shooting steel plates at close range, and is a horrible choice for HD/SD.

    I'm pretty sure vernonator was referring to a standard round, but one that will fragment on impact due to its velocity and construction.

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    Hornady TAP has been getting consistent rave reviews since it came out, and once my upper comes in will be my default defensive ammo. I don't think I'd trust the lighter grain hollow-points; I haven't seen any hard data, but human skin is pretty tough, and combined with clothing and muscle density might seriously hinder a lighter hollowpoint from getting to the good stuff to actually put a person down. It's hard enough to get solid hits under pressure, so hindering one's self with a poor choice of ammunition doesn't strike me as a good idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by crzy4guns View Post
    This has got me thinking about getting a Ruger mini 14 carbine for home defense.

    That new NRA model with the 16" barrel may just do the trick.
    Why? What does the Mini-14 have over the more common rifle, the AR15? It used to be that they were cheaper beater guns available during a time when ARs only came from a few companies, weren't any kind of cheap, and were subject to more legal ball-and-chains, but that's all changed. Mini's are more expensive, there are more quality ARs out there than ever before, and generally-speaking gun laws are moving in a positive direction. I find it extremely hard to justify a Mini-14 for personal defense when there exists at least a few examples of better rifles, unless you really believe the way a rifle looks will somehow change a jury's opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 762 View Post
    Depending on the grain, a 7.62x39 is between 2,700-2,900 FPS.

    Seems a bit ambitious. Any of the bulk stuff I chronographed clocked between 2300 fps and 2450 from an SKS.



    I would prefer a light rifle to a handgun or shotgun. The M1 Carbine is one that makes a lot of sense and does duty here. I also still keep the Winchester Model 1907 .351 on hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    Seems a bit ambitious. Any of the bulk stuff I chronographed clocked between 2300 fps and 2450 from an SKS.



    I would prefer a light rifle to a handgun or shotgun. The M1 Carbine is one that makes a lot of sense and does duty here. I also still keep the Winchester Model 1907 .351 on hand.
    perhaps i am off, by a few...hundred feet per second

    i am going to check out some shotguns in a few weeks.

    I truly wonder what can take 16 rounds of hollow point and still keep aggressing.

    then again - my brother was in a firefight in Iraq a few years back and told me his fellow marine pumped 30 rounds of .223 into a terrorist and the guy kept charging. i guess it's possible, esp. if the perp is on something.
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    Its more mental than physical - at least as long as the threat is concerned. You can "kill" someone with a shot to the heart, but if it doesn't hit the spinal cord they will still have a good 30 seconds of fight left in them, if not more. You can only do your best - then start hoping the guy is scared of getting shot, in which case the reaction to a miss will likely be just as good as a hit - fall down and pass out.

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    I think a kid is more likely to soil himself if confronted with a gun then an adult. correct me if i am wrong.
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    I just bought a 9mm Beretta CX4 Storm for home defense. It's light, 5 lbs, short, 30" and uses the same 9mm ammo my pistol uses. It's also very accurate and very easy to shoot.
    Warning: Driver only carries $20 worth of ammunition.

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    I prefer a shotgun over a rifle. In home defense, even in a riot situation, you are usually working short range (I live in a densely populated area, maybe 50ft to the next house). Also with a shotgun you have a wider range of ammunition (bird shot, buck shot, even non-lethal rounds like OC). I would only prefer a rifle over a shotgun for distances further then maybe 150ft. At least for me, that is highly unlikely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 762 View Post
    I truly wonder what can take 16 rounds of hollow point and still keep aggressing.

    then again - my brother was in a firefight in Iraq a few years back and told me his fellow marine pumped 30 rounds of .223 into a terrorist and the guy kept charging. i guess it's possible, esp. if the perp is on something.
    That's a lot of assumed hits.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulJ View Post
    I prefer a shotgun over a rifle. In home defense, even in a riot situation, you are usually working short range (I live in a densely populated area, maybe 50ft to the next house). Also with a shotgun you have a wider range of ammunition (bird shot, buck shot, even non-lethal rounds like OC). I would only prefer a rifle over a shotgun for distances further then maybe 150ft. At least for me, that is highly unlikely.
    A growing number of SWAT and similar special response teams seem to be disagree. I might be inclined to value the opinion of he who's foot kicks down the door in the face of life-threatening danger on a more regular basis than I do.


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    the only logical course of action is to buy both a hd shottie and a ar. Then you can grab whichever best suits your mood at the time you are woken in the middle of the night.
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    i ran through the process with my wife and the AK (if she ever needs it when i am not here). she is petite and had a hard time racking the bolt back....i need to get a shotty in the house...something easier for her to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    This could not be more true, its a matter of physics.

    Anyway, I think a PCC is an ideal HD weapon but a 5.56 carbine can fill two roles as well.
    I've been working on finding the right PCC for about a year now, and have come to the conclusion I will have to build my own to get what I want.
    Okay, help out an ignorant brother here.

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